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[bbalanjones] 06/6/2020 12:32

In his book Blaming the Victim, sociologist William Ryan shows how white Americans treat black Americans as second-class citizens, providing them with inferior education, inferior housing, inferior jobs - and then point to the result, the semi-skilled black living in a ghetto, as proof that the black American is ‘inherently217; incapable of coming up to white standards. ‘We’ve given them every chance,’ they seem to imply, ‘but the blacks just can’t make it.’ It’s the call to an unquestionable authority again - genes, this time, And the white Americans’ unjust behaviour, which caused the problem of inequality, has been redefined as a problem originating within the black skin.

All courtesy of Anuradha Vittachi.

[bbalanjones] 06/6/2020 12:27

What the dominant group sees as objectionable in their victims can provide an interesting clue to what they fear in themselves - it’s a sort of distorted mirror-image of the rejected part of themselves. Until these suppressed, rejected parts are reclaimed, other people will continue to be blamed for them. And a group that gets away with blaming someone else will never face coming to terms with its own negative aspect - its ‘shadow’ - which may be precisely that aspect of its identity that it needs in order to feel complete and therefore more secure. Swiss psychologist Carl Jung presented the issue like this: ‘But what if I should discover that the very enemy himself is within me, that I myself am the enemy who must be loved - what then?’

[bbalanjones] 06/6/2020 12:25

If you’re an up-and-coming young executive in London, there’s a good chance you’ll be tempted to read the Financial Times - not just to check how the stock market is doing, but to learn how to build up the right image for the lifestyle you aspire to. You’ll find out how your suit should be cut and which club you should take your clients to, Most of all, you’ll discover what your opinions should be: the FT tells you what you should think. Its slogan: ‘No FT. no comment’. It’s sobering that such a ploy can be used by a quality paper whose target audience is people aiming for positions of financial and political power. Is the nation’s power elite so insecure that it is not offended at blatantly being told what to think? And if it is so easily led, what could an unscrupulous leader not persuade it to do?

[grahamite2] 06/6/2020 12:21

The foul old bag was all along working for Brussels, not this country. She's lucky not to have wound up at Tyburn. Boris should not feel bound by anything whatever she came up with, indeed the opposite. Anything that can be traced back to her should be regarded with the utmost suspicion.

[mr.elbee] 06/6/2020 11:56

last paragraph

oh, yes you can John

That was and is the plan all along.

[xxxxxy] 06/6/2020 11:45

Some questions on the virusBy JOHNREDWOOD | Published: JUNE 6, 2020We are waiting for the science to catch up with events. It is clearly not easy understanding and combatting a  new virus in a hurry, when crucial information has to come from patients suffering from the disease willing to submit to various treatments to see what happens. We have, however, had all too many cases and deaths, so soon perhaps more knowledge will be forthcoming.We need to know, for example, whether any of the proposed existing licenced medicines for other complaints can help alleviate symptoms, ease severity or reduce the time the illness lasts. The UK has now approved remdesivir, but there are other remedies taken on their own or with others that might help. We need an update.There is the question of the Oxford/Astra Zeneca vaccine. This is going into production before the results of clinical trials. We are told there may be results early autumn. There are also other vaccine hopes around the world.The UK has  now  been testing random samples to represent the population as a whole to find out infection rates. This should enable a more accurate R or transmission rate to be calculated. When will we see proper graphs and charts of these  numbers with a better evidence base for R? This could be helpful in making decisions about the  pace of further easing, which is much needed for the sake of livelihoods.What is the expert view on why the new case rate and death rate has stayed as high as it has during a strong lock down? Shouldn't they have subsided more. How was the virus  being transmitted during this period? Can we now use track and test to head off further  localised outbreaks?Are we now in  the position where too many deaths are  being attributed to CV 19 when it is not even known whether some had the disease or not, or when they also had other serious conditions that might have been the true cause? How comparable are our figures with other counties, that follow different criteria for reporting deaths?Much now rests on making a success of test and trace. That requires the willing collaboration of the public, taking tests if and when they develop covid like symptoms they do not normally suffer. It needs the rest to agree to self isolate if they have been in close contact with someone who has the disease.We cannot keep the whole country in  lockdown for more months, with just the NHS and a few basics up and running. It was possible to borrow and print the money for a couple of months, but it does not work if you try to do that as a  new lifestyle with no limit on the cash .

[maxk] 06/6/2020 11:42

And dont even mention caste.

[alphorn] 06/6/2020 11:39

mm2 - "Maybe we just don't 'get on'"

One of my lasting memories of years working in Africa was the extreme level of hatred between some tribes. Horrible, especially when you see someone killed a few feet in front of you and you are on foot. So not just about colour.

[mikemichael2] 06/6/2020 10:59

I know it is not just 'black' people protesting, however they are protesting about black and mixed race issues.

As i say, just what do they want ?

Maybe we just don't 'get on'

[azalea] 06/6/2020 10:09

freddie01 -543
Its only a matter of time, and not long at that.

[azalea] 06/6/2020 10:06

maxk
The quote did not originate with Barnier, it belongs unequivocally to Theresa May.
Barnier talks of a 'level playing field' does that mean his new masters will agree to match EU and UK exports to each other; despite the EU, currently enjoying a surplus of billions of euros? Like hell they will.

Barnier facetiously reminded the UK government and others, that the political declaration was reproduced in several languages -including English. He should be reminded that the document was not a legally binding document, only the Withdrawal Agreement had it been passed in the UK parliament, would have been legally binding: thank heavens it was rejected by parliament, three times.
Boris has staked his premiership on there being no 'extension'. If he fails in taking the UK out of the EU with no strings attached, he could face the same fate. Everything about Boris says he will deliver on his political promises to at least 17.4 million people.

[freddie01] 06/6/2020 09:41

Nothing to do with Brexit I'm afraid. They do hate the Government and Police but it's more about their self-entitlement.

[poikka] 06/6/2020 09:01

Not just "black" protesters, mm2. It's not their skin colour that determines their approach; for most of them, its their dislike of this government and Brexit and police.

Why on earth we should be exhorted to wear masks, and practice social distancing, and hygiene measures, when these baying mobs couldn't give a toss for others' lives - black or white - is a question none of them would be able to answer.

Just as well that some of us care for a respectful society, or we'd all be down with the bug, and no-one would be able to get medical care for anything.

[mikemichael2] 06/6/2020 08:35

I see there are going to be mass protests this weekend,What exactly do the black protesters want ?