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[sentimentrules] 10/12/2019 22:06

all to da sword

[cheshire pete] 10/12/2019 21:42

Expect more fake news from the labour supporting, pro-remain BBC. It is in their blood, their DNA, mindset they just can't help themselves. Where's the apology for the fake news. Disgrace. Using licence payers money against them. Shocking, awful, horrendous.

[gotnorolex] 10/12/2019 21:42

'They can't stand Corbyn' in the Midlands, says shadow health secretary
Tuesday 10 December 2019 20:55, UK

[k38] 10/12/2019 21:24

BBC news & Outside SourceLive from Westminster the reporter ask Ben Wright a question which the reporter claims "the polls are suggesting the majority of the people want to stay with the EU"That's a lie to me.. and BBC just can't give up taking sides.

[xxxxxy] 10/12/2019 21:15

Why we voted leave
By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: MARCH 23, 2018
On 23rd June 2016 17.4 million voters told Parliament we should leave the EU.

Leave voters voted to take back control.

We voted to take back control of our money, our laws and our borders.

We voted to be a sovereign people again.

The overarching aim is to restore our freedoms

To become self governing as we used to be

We wish our Parliaments to frame our laws

To levy and spend out taxes

To make our borders safe

To award the precious gift of citizenship to those we choose to invite

We did not vote in the belief that future Parliaments will always be wise

Nor that they will always get it right

We voted to restore powers to Parliament because it is our Parliament

We can lobby and influence it

We can dismiss it and replace the MPs when they no longer please.

I find it surprising that some find it difficult to understand this overriding wish

For it is based on our long standing pursuit of freedom

It springs from our history

The history of the UK is the story of the long march of every man and every woman to the vote

The story of asserting the rule of law against all, however mighty.

We prize the gift of freedom under the law for all on an equal basis

We share an aversion to slavery

A dislike of military rule

A resistance to arbitrary government

A rejection of the patronising errors of elites

A distaste for overmighty bureaucracies cramping our freedoms

A belief that we should be free to do whatever we please unless the laws prevents it

The signposts to democracy run through Magna Carta to the first Parliaments

From the 1660 settlement to the Glorious Revolution

From the Great Reform Act to the triumph of the suffragettes

We carelessly lost some of these freedoms,

casting away much of the power of our vote and voice

by passing powers to the European Union

We allowed the EU to impose laws we did not want

To levy taxes we disagreed with

And to spend our money as they saw fit

Brexit is designed to recall those lost powers

[alphorn] 10/12/2019 21:07

The only real gains on property are when they are sold and someone rents, downsizes, or moves into a cheaper area. Other moves are sell high, buy high, etc.

[xxxxxy] 10/12/2019 21:06

LABOUR and MOMENTUM and CORBYN are determined to wreck the economy and breakup the UK. Unforgivable.

Destroy Democracy. Destroy the Economy. Destroy the people.

Such is the way with the STALINISTS

Vote for Progress. And Democracy.

Support Boris.

[alphorn] 10/12/2019 21:04

jl - the only French leaseholds that I know are sea water berths and moorings - all owned by the state and leased out.

[xxxxxy] 10/12/2019 21:00

Do not forget

Just to concentrate minds.
SO let's LEAVE and WTO.

2011 - Cadbury moved to Poland with EU grant.

2011 - Ford Transit moved to Turkey with EU grant.

Jaguar Landrover new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, sold to Volkeswagen last week.

Peugeot closed Ryton plant (was Rootes Group) moved production to Slovakia.

British Army's new Ajax armed vehicles to be built in Spain using Swedish steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant instead of Wales.

Dyson goes to Malaysia with an EU grant.

Crown Closures Bournemouth (was Metal Box) gone to Poland with EU grant. Once employed 1,200.

M&S manufacturing gone to FE with EU loan.

Hornby Models gone. All toys and models gone from UK with patents… all with EU grants.

Gillette gone to E. Europe with EU grant.

Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.

Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.

Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil foam plant will relocate to Roemond Netherlands with EU funding.

Hoover Merthyr Tydfil factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company, Candy with EU backing.

ICI integration into Holland's Akzo Nobel with EU bank loan. Within days of the merger, several UK factories were closed eliminating 3,500 jobs.

Boots sold to Italian Stefano Pessina who've based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year using an EU loan for the purchase. Now issued profit warning last week.

JDS Uniphase run by two Dutchmen who bought up companies in the UK with £20 million EU 'regeneration grants', created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean up paid by the UK taxpayer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.

UK airports owned by Spanish company.

Scottish Power owned by Spanish company.

Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies (Deutschebarn).

Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by EDF (Energie de France) part owned by French Govt. using cheap Chinese steel which has catastrophically failed at other nuclear installations. EDF now says the costs will double and it will be very late if it even does come online.

Swindon once made rail locomotives and rolling stock. All transferred to Bombardier in Derby due to their losses in the aviation market will see the end railway manufacture altogether. Bombadier got a grant to keep going in Derby, but diverted it to their loss-making aviation site in Canada.

39% British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies mostly in the EU.

Mini cars are built by BMW in Holland and Austria.

Fans outrage as foreign firm Nestle shrinks Terry's Chocolate Oranges by 10% but price remains the same.

And the last is the destruction of our steel industry. We invented the process in 1856, before Henry Bressemer everything was made of cast iron or bronze/copper! British Steel's receivership loses 25,000 jobs. Makes us dependent on poor quality imports (see above Hinkley Point C) with the knock on effects to manufacturing.

LEAVE and WTO

[k38] 10/12/2019 20:51

Question to Fiona Bruce on Question time.


Don't you think BBC owns an apology to the voters and it's license investors about reporting fake news without first investigating if true or not ?

[xxxxxy] 10/12/2019 20:49

LABOUR and MOMENTUM and CORBYN never listened to 17 million People.

LABOUR are not even worth spitting on.

Support BORIS for BREXIT and Progress and Freedom.

LEAVE and WTO

[xxxxxy] 10/12/2019 20:41

The economic damage done by our membership of the EU


By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: MARCH 26, 2019


Too many in the media just accept the assumption that we have done well out of being in the EU and will lose when we leave. There is little evidence to support either of these contentions.

We joined in 1972. We were made to remove all tariffs on products the rest of the EU was good at, whilst they maintained many barriers to service exports which we were good at. As a result there was a predictable deterioration in our goods trade balance with the EU, and closure or slimming of many of our factories. Our car industry suffered heavily from the tariff free competition of VW, BMW, Mercedes, Renault, Fiat and the others. BLMC in particular had to slim and close plants. Our Lancashire cotton industry and Yorkshire woollen industry was hit by Italian and German textiles. Our ceramic tile industry was damaged by Italian competition and later by Spanish. In the 1970s we lost a lot of manufacturing capacity. The nationalised steel industry had to start closing its five new large scale plants for lack of demand as steel using industries fell away in the EEC.

We also saw a further deterioration in our balance of payments as a result of high financial contributions we had to make to the EEC, as all those charges were negative flows across the exchanges. Soon after we joined there was a deep western slump which hit the UK particularly badly. Whilst this was not mainly the result of EEC membership, it exacerbated the bad trends EEC membership was causing.

In the late 1980s and early 1990s we saw another recession brought on by the UK’s membership of the European Exchange Rate Mechanism. These job losses and factory closures were entirely the result of EU membership, and very damaging.

More recently we have seen a lot of factories shift elsewhere in Europe thanks in part to EU grants tempting businesses away. When I was a business Minister one of the regular complaints from UK companies was unfair competition from the rest of the EU where companies in favoured locations got special EU grants and financial assistance on favourable terms or free.

The UK growth rate has been slower since 1972 than it was 1945 to 1972. Some try to say the war disrupts the picture, but it is difficult to see why. Whilst the war was a terrible thing, it gave us very full employment with the diversion of many people into the armed services. All their efforts did under standard accounting count as national output. There were also big increases in manufacturing output domestically as we had to produce most of our planes, vehicles and bombs nationally. There was a also a surge in home food production. Of course there was also a fall in non military output as factories were diverted to war work. Imports from the continent obviously stopped as it was under German control, and imports from the rest of the world were restrained by German military action to prevent or destroy them.

An EU study has showed practically no gain from EU membership for the UK economy, but it is on optimistic assumptions. To me there has clearly been a modest net overall loss of output compared to what would have happened if we had stayed out, though of course output is up over our time in the EU as you would expect. The headwind of big financial contributions to the EU has been damaging. Margaret Thatcher’s renegotiation helped a bit by cutting the burden.

[k38] 10/12/2019 20:41

BBC must apologise to Boris and the voters in general !!!

[k38] 10/12/2019 20:40

bob, Nicola finds hard to make her case.. people ignoring her....;))