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[careful] 03/12/2018 21:31

Great news on the backstop.
we can benefit from the customs union forever.
Well done Theresa, outsmart them.

[stonedyou] 03/12/2018 21:27

Who`s a treacherous DOG!!!!!!





Tory Brexit anger as Attorney General says backstop ‘indefinite’


The government’s top law officer angered Conservative Brexiteers and opposition

MPs from all parties as he presented the government’s legal position on the Irish

border backstop, admitting the UK could be kept under EU trading rules

indefinitely with possibility to leave unilaterally.Attorney General Geoffrey Cox

could face possible suspension from the House of Commons if the Speaker finds him

in contempt of parliament, after opposition parties claimed he had failed to

produce the full legal advice demanded by MPs.Tory Brexiteers shouted “it’s a

trap” as Mr Cox set out the government’s legal stance on the backstop, which will

act as an insurance policy preventing a hard border in Ireland if there is no

trade deal agreed between the UK and EU by the end of the transition period.The

Attorney General admitted that the UK would be “indefinitely committed” to the

backstop if it was activated, and told MPs there was “no unilateral right for

either party to terminate”. Mr Cox told MPs that the Prime Minister’s deal was

a “calculated risk” but insisted: “I do not believe we will be trapped in it

permanently”.However, when asked by SNP MP Joanna Cherry whether there is anything

in international law to prevent the backstop becoming permanent, Mr Cox

replied: “As a matter of international law, no.”


Appealing to dozens of his Conservative colleagues set to vote against the deal,

Mr Cox said: “I make no bones about it - I would have preferred to have seen a

unilateral right of termination in this backstop.”He added: “I’m prepared to lend

my support to this agreement because I do not believe that we’re likely to be

entrapped in it permanently.”





Earlier, the UK Government published its 43-page Legal Position On The Withdrawal

Agreement that confirmed the Irish backstop would continue to apply “unless and

until it is superseded” by a subsequent agreement.It also says the UK faces making

additional payments to Brussels if the Brexit implementation period is

extended.Opposition parties including Theresa May’s DUP allies said the document

and the Attorney General’s statement failed to meet the terms of a vote demanding

publication of the full legal advice and asked Speaker John Bercow to launch

contempt of Parliament proceedings.In the Commons chamber, Mr Cox told MPs to

stop “braying” for the full legal advice be published, and said: “There is nothing

to see here!”




It is time they grew up and got real,” the Attorney General added. “The public

interest is at stake, what part of that proposition is the opposition not capable

of understanding.”




Last night a letter to the Speaker was signed by shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir

Starmer, DUP Westminster leader Nigel Dodds and senior MPs from the SNP, Liberal

Democrats, Plaid Cymru and Green PartyIf Mr Bercow agrees to launch contempt

proceedings, a debate in the Commons could follow with the possibility of MPs

voting on whether to suspend the Attorney General from parliament.Shadow Brexit

Secretary Sir Keir Starmer said: “The Government has failed to publish the

Attorney General’s full and final legal advice to the Cabinet, as ordered by

Parliament.“We have therefore been left with no option but to write to the Speaker

of the House of Commons to ask him to launch proceedings of contempt.”



Ms Cherry, a qualified QC, added: “The binding motion passed by this House on 13

November ordered the production of any legal advice in full, including that

provided by the Attorney General. What he has produced is a legal commentary not

legal advice.“The Attorney General said that he wished he could comply with the

order of the House but he cannot. A theatrical lawyer might say it looks like an

open and shut case of contempt.”

[polar fox] 03/12/2018 20:59

maxk,

You may be interested in this tweet:

Latest @ConHome survey:

1) 67.8 per cent of Party member respondents think MPs should vote against May's EU deal hxxps://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/12/our-survey-almost-seven-in-ten-party-members-say-that-conservative-mps-should-vote-against-mays-deal.html …

2) The proportion wanting May to quit now has hit half for the first time:

unquote

Also, based on survey data from Con Home, the Meaningful Vote is expected to be lost by about 181 votes next Tuesday.

[alphorn] 03/12/2018 20:40

Max - your views please on my post would be appreciated re. next steps.

I have my coffee!

[maxk] 03/12/2018 20:35

G+T Alp, a large one :-)




Opposition parties launch joint contempt proceedings against ministers over Brexit legal advice – Politics live




1h ago
19:32


Geoffrey Cox's statement - Snap verdict

Andrew Sparrow Andrew Sparrow



Geoffrey Cox, the attorney general, has achieved something remarkable; he has united all the Commons opposition parties (and the DUP, which is not sure at the moment which side it’s on) who now want to see him face disciplinary action for not publishing his full Brexit legal advice. John Bercow, the speaker, has promised a decision very soon, possibly tonight, and so it is probable that within the next day or so we may get a full-blown Commons debate on the government’s contempt of parliament. We don’t know yet what the motion would say. Normally in these circumstances it would just be a referral to the privileges committee for an inquiry, but given the point made by Labour about the need to resolve this quickly (see 6.56pm), MPs could soon be voting on whether or not to suspend Cox from the Commons.

[careful] 03/12/2018 20:24

The parliamentary arithmetic must point to a second referendum.
Gove was right.

About 200 tories are remainers.
Most of labour are remainers.
All of SNP are remainers.


Because Brexiteers are loud and make the most noise we sometimes forget that they are a small minority.

[aceuk] 03/12/2018 19:56

k38 is not indigenous Alphorn - one of my mates said to me at the time of the vote 'I don't understand Trev voting leave, he's half German for chrissakes'!

[k38] 03/12/2018 19:55

There is no democracy in Brussels. I am afraid Brussels and Europe are two different worlds. Trust me you don't want to experience like the rest of them. Take the chains and they all walk away, far away from Brussels.

[alphorn] 03/12/2018 19:46

k38 - the when in Rome, etc.

(In the past the rules were different (eg USA, Aust, NZ etc) - wipe out the indigenous people - no respect in those days. Let it stay in the past).

[k38] 03/12/2018 19:39

You can't change what happens in the past.. you learn to live with. As long as people are behaving and respect the law of this country I see no problem especially when they don't force their beliefs on me. But immigration need control not just here but in all European countries.. otherwise we lost control of our lives.The key word is, Respect !

[alphorn] 03/12/2018 19:37

Lime cordial at the ready max?

So what do you think will happen next? It is only then that we (posters) can consider what to do.

As a starter:
- The WB will be defeated and TM will attempt to modify and re-present.
- The WB will be defeated and TM will be ousted. Tories remain in power
- The WB will be defeated and an election of sorts will take place.

etc etc

[toon1966] 03/12/2018 19:33

maxk = I think you'll find it's the Attorney General who is refusing to publish the report. Made numerous references to this fact in the HoC this afternoon/evening.


No doubt if Labour were in power they would ensure the report was published...… ;o)

[kenbachelor] 03/12/2018 19:27

k38 3 Dec '18 - 18:55 - 238370 of 238372

Brexiteers knew what they are voting for.

Yes. At least the ones who thought about it did: 'Absolute chaos'.

[maxk] 03/12/2018 19:25

So, what is May and her merry band of remainers trying to hide?

We have had plenty of speculation in the news, but she still refuses to publish the AG's full report.

Why?

I suspect it is because it is probably even worse than what has been reported. She is now risking a real blowout on the HoC, with half her own party voting with labour against the gov.

No sensible politician takes those sort of risks unless the is a gun to their head.

Who is holding the gun?

[k38] 03/12/2018 19:13

8 years after 4 years.. That makes 12 years under Brussels rules. That means no deals till then !!

[k38] 03/12/2018 18:55

Brexiteers knew what they are voting for.The remainers not.First let's remind ourselves what and why we had the referendum. UK was Losing Control over Brussels, plus billions and on top of all this, immigration. No just immigration!!Most of the remainers they were ignorance or mislead by the Labour party and media. People vote for Bretix!A new referendum will undermine democracy.

[poikka] 03/12/2018 18:29

Careful - "I see a multi race multi secular society."

That's neat - "multi-secular", hmmm, wonder how that works. Now I really must dash - 20 mins to lift off.

[alphorn] 03/12/2018 18:29

She is your dancing partner? ;)

[jpjohn1] 03/12/2018 18:23

238354 , Excellent post robwt

[xxxxxy] 03/12/2018 18:01

EUSSR is EXCREMENT

MAY is the EUSSR s Useful Idiot

Dump May and the EUSSR

Good riddance to bad rubbish