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[ladeside] 03/12/2018 16:10

"We knew what we were voting for", just simply isn't true.

Nobody really knew what they were voting for as the politicians and negotiators, even at this late stage, still can't tell us with any certainty what "out" looks like.

I'd also propose that the majority of the electorate are pretty "challenged" when it comes to politics, economics and current affairs, so again I'd reckon that most certainly "didn't know" what they were voting for.

[robwt] 03/12/2018 16:01

Rees-Mogg is capable of leading the country. Theresa May is all but useless, she has been played by Barnier. New leader is needed to take us out of Europe, that person has to be a Brexiteer.

The deal May is proposing, is a cop out by a weak leader. Rees Mogg is the man to lead the country forward with a deal that is good for the UK or we leave with a no deal. Remainers just don't get it, if we don't show strength now and let them carry on dictating that we have to accept this lousy deal, we will end up weaker than at anytime since we joined.

I do not want to be ruled by unelected dictators, we are too far down the road to even think about silly second referendums.....the people have spoken, we knew what we were doing. Get shot of May and put someone in who can lead, whether you like Rees Mogg or not, at least we know that JRM is clever well educated, shrewd and successful politician, an economist, investor and businessman. His CV is A1.

Outside Europe, we can not only prosper, we will be dealing with Europe on what is good for both parties. As soon as we have left, Barnier will be toast, they will blame the whole thing on the bureaucrats and I would bet the farm that we will be trading with them again, very soon on better terms.

Count the BMW's and Mercs on the road, because the Germans aren't likely to put just that little slice of our beneficial mutual trade in jepoardy. Germany and France have as much, if not more to lose. Have a look at those two countries, riots in France against Macron, Merkel on her way out in Germany.

[alphorn] 03/12/2018 15:27

Many leaders have a sell-by-date and the ones mentioned above, irrespective of one's political views, have reached that point. There are no obvious candidates today that spring to mind and I disagree completely that Boris or Mogg would hack it as a PM.
This is not the moment to have a caretaker such as Davis either.

This is a key time to be nimble in the markets and the coming days could be very profitable. The last 2 weeks have been very profitable too and it will be time to lock in before Christmas.

[bonda67] 03/12/2018 15:19

And from Careful's post, still is!!

[poikka] 03/12/2018 15:11

What really worries me is that Bliar has taken so many folk in over the years, and still does. I dunno.

[poikka] 03/12/2018 15:09

What??!!, Dianne in the running?! Gott in heaven.

[grahamite2] 03/12/2018 15:08

If anything you understate your case, Pete. Blair, Mandelsohn, Major, Heseltine, Clegg - what a grisly crew! - are more than just discredited, they are despised and hated. Whenever one of them opens his mouth he is effectively making a speech on behalf of his opponents.

[poikka] 03/12/2018 15:08

Careful - "A lot of old people were scammed 2 years ago."

Spot on, Careful, so much scaremongering that it's a wonder that the majority still voted Leave.

And all the fuss about Boris and the £350m/week. The man was absolutely correct: it had been made quite clear, or clear enough for those who would see, that we were going to lose the rebate - if we stayed in.

[cheshire pete] 03/12/2018 15:04

Absolutely no way careful, no matter how incompetent she may be she can be voted out of post unlike the unelected EU officials, this is in part what is meant when brexiteers say the EU is undemocratic.

[careful] 03/12/2018 14:26

A lot of old people were scammed 2 years ago.
Don't rub it in by saying you respect their choice.
If an old granny was scammed out of her life savings,
you would not say 2 years later that you respect her right to transfer it to the crook.

..Blair is right this time, you don't get to being a PM for over 10 years and getting wealthy at the same time without talent.

...give the suckers a chance to correct their mistake.
bring on a second referendum.
It will happen, a logical outcome.

We would all prefer Brussels to run the UK before Diane Abbot wouldn't we?

[cheshire pete] 03/12/2018 14:14

Agree Ladeside, however what these yesterday's men such as Blair, Mandelsohn, Major, Heseltine, Clegg don't understand is that they are not like Floyd Paterson or Frank Sinatra who have made multiple successful comebacks, they are all discredited for one reason or another and no longer have the influence that their huge egos allow them to think. By the way I don't consider myself to be an extremist, but perhaps am able to see through some things to what lies beyond.

[ladeside] 03/12/2018 14:01

pete, I don't disagree, I can't stand Blair and think he's a complete manipulative charlatan, however my worry would be that everything's being setup for him and his cronies to come "riding to the rescue" as it were.

Actually I was just looking the other day at the wealth him and the wife had accrued and it made me think that if a couple of public servants from another country had accrued this sort of wealth that everyone would have been "tut tutting" about the "corruption in that country".

Imelda Marcos eat your heart out...............

[cheshire pete] 03/12/2018 13:52

Mr Blair, who is in favour of a second vote, said the choice should be between a hard Brexit or staying in the European Union. Apparently what he said this morning.
Problem for him is the people made that choice 2 years ago when they voted to leave the EU. Same old manipulative Blair.

[smurfy2001] 03/12/2018 13:39

Stocks and oil surge as Trump calls truce in China trade war

Financial markets give their reaction to hopes the trade spat will prove less costly than feared to demand in the global economy.

hxxps://news.sky.com/story/stocks-and-oil-surge-as-trump-calls-truce-in-china-trade-war-11570447

[xxxxxy] 03/12/2018 13:26

Brexit SHOCK:

Dominic Raab reveals what Theresa May is 'hiding in Brexit deal'
DOMINIC Raab claimed he has seen the full legal advice on the Withdrawal Agreement and revealed what Theresa May is hiding.

[xxxxxy] 03/12/2018 13:17

For those who want to study and explore Brexit more. Someone asked just previously. Facts and knowledge.

Suggest only for Starters

[xxxxxy] 03/12/2018 13:14

eeyore
Posted December 3, 2018 at 6:48 am | Permalink
What cliff edge? There is a wide gentle shoreline and an open ocean, and beyond it a whole world to trade with. Newmania confuses metaphor with reality. “Words are the daughters of men, but things are the sons of heaven.” (Samuel Johnson)

Steve
Posted December 3, 2018 at 6:03 am | Permalink
It’s obvious; May agreed already to lay before parliament any legal advice in full, but is now trying to get away with hiding the components that would expose her as a liar and a fraud.

Naturally you’d expect MP’s to be more than slightly miffed at this. I hope they bring her down.

I believe May’s intent was to conceal the legal text long enough while ramming the deal through parliament…230;..and then do a runner before the legal text gets out.

She appears to have been caught red handed.


oldtimer
Posted December 3, 2018 at 6:35 am | Permalink
Martin Howe QC has demonstrated very clearly the legal traps in the WA. I find it inconceivable that the government will not publish the AG’s full advice in this exceptional instance. The Daily Telegraph reports that Mr Robbins reported the risks in a letter to the PM.

May must go. Now. She is unfit for office. The Conservative party needs to choose a replacement who actually believes in Brexit to replace her – and that excludes the Goves of this world – if it wants to survive as a respected political force.

[xxxxxy] 03/12/2018 13:13

The withdrawal Agreement is disgusting, dangerous FAECAL MATERIAL not even good enough to go down the drains.

DITCH the WITCH

DITCH the Evil EUSSR

LEAVE and WTO

[poikka] 03/12/2018 12:53

Javid's making his play already by trying to make capital over the Syrian boy punched to the ground - me, too, and all that. What a creep.

[mr.elbee] 03/12/2018 12:48

both are plonkers...what's wrong with you that you cant see that..both are irredeemably second class.

[cheshire pete] 03/12/2018 12:44

No chance LADESIDE, the people voted LEAVE.

[ladeside] 03/12/2018 12:42

I can see a new middle party emerging with David Miliband as the figurehead with the likes of Blair & Mandelson pulling the strings.

There will also be mass defections from existing Labour and undoubtedly a few high profile names from the Tories.

They will sell the "staying in the EU is the only way" line and with voters up and down the country on both sides totally perplexed and unsure of the way forward, this new centre party will sweep all before it.

Worrying ? possible ??

Undoubtedly................

[cheshire pete] 03/12/2018 12:28

Grahamite2: "Boris and Rees Mogg are the only men fit to run the country"
Agree 100%, they are in a different league to everyone else, both have vision and genuine concern for the future of the country. Gove completely untrustworthy and anyone still left in May's cabinet has, by association, poor judgement imho and is therefore unsuitable to lead. Only rider perhaps would be if May is found to have been economical with the truth on the legal advice on backstop to her cabinet, then further resignations possible.