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[xxxxxy] 12/10/2020 19:20

Who will blink first – President Macron or Prime Minister Johnson?October 12, 2020By Jonathan SaxtyWILL THE 15 October deadline for a post-Brexit trade deal come and go? We know that over the weekend, Boris Johnson told French president Emmanuel Macron (pictured) that the UK wants to "explore every avenue" to secure a post-Brexit trade deal with the EU, days before the PM's apparent mid-October deadline.  Mr Johnson told Mr Macron "intensive talks" were needed to "bridge significant gaps", not least over fishing. Informal discussions will continue this week. A spokesman said Mr Johnson "confirmed the UK's commitment to exploring every avenue to reach an agreement" and "underlined that a deal was better for both sides, but also that the UK was prepared to end the transition period on Australia-style terms if an agreement could not be found."  Meanwhile negotiations could continue into November, said French minister Clément Beaune. As reported by Jakob Hanke Vela for Politico, Mr Beaune said: "There needs to be an agreement in the coming weeks. That means around the beginning of November. We must not lose our calm in the final days of negotiations because that is sometimes when bad concessions are made." This comes as France warns no deal would be better than a bad deal on fisheries, according to Tara Patel for Bloomberg. It should be noted that Mr Macron will have an eye on the 2022 French presidential elections and may – amid dipping poll numbers, not least over coronavirus – see votes in standing up to London.  Of course, the French are increasingly butting heads with others in the EU on this issue, not least more semi-detached countries in Central and Eastern Europe (CEE), as well as export-dependent Germany, which could lose out in the event of no deal. Of course, given the Government's past record on Brexit, we should not be shocked if the 15 October deadline is pushed back or fudged in some way. The force of the Internal Market Bill – a last-minute attempt to fix the pernicious aspects of the Withdrawal Agreement – was somewhat watered down after opposition from Tory backbenchers. The Parliamentary Conservative Party is, of course, still split over Brexit.  Meanwhile the EU has a vested interest in Brexit looking as tough as possible for Britain lest other restless member states get ideas about following London's example. Of course, heavy-handedness could also backfire for Brussels, not least with CEE countries. On Thursday, EU leaders will discuss Brexit in detail at an EU summit – the day of Mr Johnson's apparent deadline for a deal. Last week cabinet minister Michael Gove revealed it was "about right" the chances of negotiators succeeding were 66%, while UK chief negotiator Lord David Frost said "a deal is eminently achievable." However, in terms of state aid and the level playing field, Lord Frost accepted the UK had to deliver a regime "compatible" with the EU's, stating: "We are only just beginning a discussion about [if] is it possible to go further than you normally do in a free trade agreement." According to Rob Merrick for the Independent, "Lord Frost hinted at attempts to reach a fudge to avoid the worst impacts of a no-deal – even if a full trade deal proves impossible – saying there would be "lots of practical matters that we would need to cover"." Speaking to the Lords Committee, Lord Frost said the Government would be "content" to trade on WTO terms, adding "we believe we will prosper if we do so." However, he said, the UK would "obviously very much prefer to have" a deal.   According to the Sun's Nick Gutteridge, when asked about 15 October as a hard deadline Lord Frost said: "Obviously as we approach the 15th I'll have to advise the PM on whether the conditions in his statement have been met or not and we'll have to consider the situation at that point."  According to Mr Gutteridge, Lord Frost added: "'We've made quite good progress so far. This is a hugely wide ranging agreement and in many areas the landing zone and the nature of the agreement is pretty clear if not exactly pinned down yet." Mr Gutteridge went on: "Frost and Gove were on good form. The main takeaway to me was that both of them are very much in deal mode re their respective negotiating strands."  We continue to watch and wait. 

[alphorn] 12/10/2020 18:48

cheshire - an amusing post. Worrying (for you) if you actually believe what you write.

[jl5006] 12/10/2020 18:44

Lets go back a hundred years.
Ban alcohol--- result illegal stills set up
Ban betting
underground bookies up and around
Hooch is easy to set up - and will happen.
Latterly ban ban - tobacco sweets and anything the lobbyists want.
Answer - simples - when u are clueless - the only thought is deny.
Sorry - the mad profs have wrecked this country. They would wreck every econy in the world - Y - because they are guessers - they cannot - nor ever will understand the impact of their guesses - on which the Gov relied.
The flu jab that so many are clamouring for - JUST a boost- could probably do the same with greens c & D
What a moronic society we have become that believes we are immortal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pandy999] 12/10/2020 18:15

Fishing, terrorism, wars " not cod "
Drugs naughty priests stabbings and so on , if u voted liberal labour or tory in the last 50 years your responsible.

[cheshire pete] 12/10/2020 17:59

WTO first then let the dust settle. Then let the EU come grovelling...they need us more than we need them. Meanwhile we can strike further deals all over the world on favourable terms. Not so easy for the EU though cos their accounts are dodgy and they can't be trusted.

[jl5006] 12/10/2020 17:53

So the brains of those keeping us safe - from what - who nose - they think - do they.
They have got the go ahead to change the traffic lights in high risk areas - from R A G - red amber green - to anything they want.
So many fail to understand the highway code - how on earth do these rule makers think that the huge numbers of MSNs (mentally sub normals) will understand this stupid system - add on the unemployed - who give a ? - and u see a farce of an organisation designed to assist - PHE US. I guess traffic light codes change willy nilly
2 many cooks now - chaos - next thing road blocks?
BJ who conned u into this rat hole?

[jl5006] 12/10/2020 17:42

GL Buybadly

[buywell3] 12/10/2020 16:46

buywell was first to predict -ve rates and helicopter money coming years ago

Now buywell predicts Kamala Haris will pick Barack Hussein Obama as her VP in 2021

[alphorn] 12/10/2020 16:40

cheshire et al - No deal. WTO.....or perhaps Australia or Canada or perhaps you don't know. A broken record.
(GBP supported today btw).

[dope007] 12/10/2020 15:21

Mitchy how about we keep all the fish, and then sell our catch to the froggies?

[maxk] 12/10/2020 14:52

It's in the Guardian, so it must be true...



Supertrawlers ‘making a mockery’ of UK’s protected seas

Vast vessels spent almost 3,000 hours fishing in officially protected areas in 2019



Greenpeace used tracking data from the Lloyd’s List to show that trawlers over 100 metres spent 2,963 hours fishing in UK MPAs in 2019. None of the 25 supertrawlers are British-owned, with 15 Russian-owned, nine Dutch-owned and one Polish-owned.

A spokesman for the Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said: “The UK is a global leader in the fight to protect our seas with our ‘blue belt’ of protected waters nearly twice the size of England. The common fisheries policy currently restricts our ability to implement tougher protection, but leaving the EU and taking back control of our waters means we can introduce stronger measures.”

[chavitravi2] 12/10/2020 14:43

Too true mitchy, some of the boats out there are massive and have stripped our waters and depleted stocks. A lot of fish in particular cod have not had chance to reach any sort of size and are not has plentiful. In the 70's off Clacton the Sunday rod fishermen in small boats used get some lovely sized cod but not now. The French dont do nothing for nothing or give anything away so why not a licence fee and size limit.

Looks as if the yanks have come in on que.

[mr.elbee] 12/10/2020 14:13

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[xxxxxy] 12/10/2020 14:10

British MSM = British GESTAPO

[mr.elbee] 12/10/2020 14:01

but we are irrational muppets look at the number of nappy wearers amongst the peasant class.

Why stop when you are winning?

[xxxxxy] 12/10/2020 14:01

Wish Trump well.Trump, Guardian of Freedom and Free speech.