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[stonedyou] 08/10/2020 09:47

No EU no cry
No EU no cry
No EU no cry
No EU no cry
No EU no cry
No EU no cry

said said

said I remember how it used to be
In the government yard in Great Briton
oba-obaserving the remainer hypocrites
yea mingle with the good people we voted out

good friends we have voted out
bad remainers we have lost
along the way yea
In this bright future we voted for
can`t forget your past
so dry your tears you idiot remainers

No EU no cry
No EU no cry
Hey Brexiteers don`t shed no tears
No EU no cry
said said said I remember how we used to be
In the government in Great Briton
And then BREXIT would make the fire and lights

I say our loved UK was burning
through the nights
And we will sing dance
I say of which we gone from the "HATED "EU
our hearts and will carriage us
And we will push BREXIT through

Out of the EU gonna be alright now!
out of the EU gonna be alright now!
out of the EU gonna be alright now!
out of the EU gonna be alright now!
out of the EU gonna be alright now!
out of the EU gonna be alright now!
out of the EU gonna be alright now!

So no EU no cry
No EU no cry
Remainer little sister
Don`t shed no tears(Lol)
No EU no cry

[sr2day] 08/10/2020 09:30

a no deal will send this down initially to 22p.and it is looking very possible.i am not adding until the matter is resolved.my holding is at 52p.a second tranche would be risky.better wait and buy on the up even dearer.

[renewed1] 08/10/2020 09:20

Dex right on the money!!

[xxxxxy] 08/10/2020 08:39

Great Barrington Declaration...Harry Flashman8 Oct 2020 8:23AMOver 104000 signatures now. Awesome - the medical science allied with critical thinking and common sense over hysteria  is winning!https://gbdeclaration.org/... Daily Telegraph

[freddie01] 08/10/2020 08:20

UKHospitality executive director for Scotland Willie Macleod


"The hospitality, the licensed trade fully appreciates the health position and we realise the government has very difficult decisions to make to balance public health and the economy but the impact on businesses that have worked very hard and successfully to provide safe hygienic environments for customers and staff, the impact is going to be horrific.

It’s coming at a very difficult time of year.

There’s never an easy time of year, but we’re reliant on tourism as well as local customers, we’re just going into the mid-term holiday period and customers in Scotland and elsewhere are absolutely uncertain now about whether to continue with their holiday bookings.

Closing bars and restaurants is going to have a massive impact on businesses that are really just climbing back from a prolonged period of lockdown, they’ve reopened with reduced capacity to cope with social distancing, they were then hit by the 10pm curfew and with reduced demand and reduced consumer confidence business resilience is as low as it can be.

Many businesses won’t survive and I’m afraid we’re going to see tens of thousands of job losses by the time we do the final count on all of this."

Madness. Utter madness.

[maxk] 08/10/2020 08:13

The sum of all fears


Is Doris really going to throw his premiership and the tory party under a bus?


What on earth could they have offered him that would induce him to commit suicide??

[xxxxxy] 08/10/2020 07:48

The allure of a sellout Brexit risks turning Boris into the next Ted Heath
The Prime Minister wouldn’t survive the ignominy of deceiving the nation with a dreadful deal

SHERELLE JACOBS
DAILY TELEGRAPH COLUMNIST
8 October 2020 • 7:00am
Sherelle Jacobs
Like all good postmodern stories, Britain’s EU nightmare is ending at the beginning. Forty-seven years after seducing Edward Heath into agreeing egregious terms for the UK’s entry to the EEC, Brussels seeks yet again to tempt a prime minister into betrayal. The present is the past through the looking glass. In 1973, the price for joining the EEC was our sovereignty over our laws and our waters; in 2020 the price for leaving the EU is our sovereignty over our laws and our waters. Unless an honest offer from Brussels materialises, Johnson – like Heath before him – faces two choices: walk away or try to deceive a nation with an appalling deal.

Is the EU banking on the latter? For all the talk of how far apart each side is in the final negotiations, they are closer than ever to agreeing two mutually compatible interpretations. While British diplomats spin that the EU is wavering on its insistence that Britain must honour to the letter the Withdrawal Agreement (WA), Brussels briefs that any deal will maintain regulatory alignment and that Britain must submit to a dispute resolution mechanism in the EU’s image. Put simply, while Britain claims it is poised to escape the legalistic clutches of the WA, the EU claims that its con trick to keep Britain in its orbit is so watertight that this doesn’t matter. In the padded cells of the EU’s post-truth prison, sovereignty is a state of mind, and everybody can be a winner.


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Still, there are signs that Boris Johnson grasps the dangers of getting sucked into the EU’s constructed reality. He has rattled EU diplomats with his “detached̶1; attitude to talks, leaving crunch meetings to chief negotiator Lord Frost – unlike Theresa May, who was “always” on the phone to the likes of Angela Merkel. No 10 also surely realises that, after U-turning on the “contradictory” WA, blowing a hole in the Tory fantasy that it was a decent divorce deal, it will be tough to sell a sceptical public a second false victory.

And yet the tang of a Brino lingers on the horizon. It carries the glum smell of history and fish. Brussels’ negotiating wisdom has not changed for 50 years: politicians will agree to anything if they feel they can sell it as a victory to their people.

Take Heath, who arguably misled Parliament as he sacrificed fishing for Britain’s EEC “salvationR21;. He deceitfully implied that his deal – which secured British fishing rights for a 10-year transition period – would renew by default because Britain had a veto. In fact, the EU had a unanimous veto, giving Brussels huge leverage in future maritime talks, as our double-crossed fishermen discovered. Johnson should beware the temptations of misselling a bad deal. It is not difficult to imagine how his latest concession – a three-year transition for European fishing fleets to prepare for phased-down catches – could be rigged with an EU veto like in 1973.

“Who cares?” many will say, given that fishing accounts for 0.1 per cent of GPD. But here is the rub: if the UK sells out on fishing, it consents to Brussels’ basic neocolonial principle. Namely, the EU is generously willing to grant the trappings of token sovereignty in exchange for legal control of Britain’s economic system. That is what Michel Barnier meant when he claimed last month that we own our waters but our fish is “another story”.

The EU would endeavour to pull off the same ruse with the level playing field – with a deal that spares Britain the embarrassment of having to align with EU rules in principle, while compelling it to align de facto. Both parties might, say, agree in writing to common regulations without signing up to identical legislation. The outcome risks being the same, since we would grant the EU the power to force up taxes and stifle innovation.

But perhaps the EU’s modest call for a “strong” dispute resolution mechanism is the biggest bear trap of all. Expect Brussels to offer a convoluted “climbdownR21; in the form of an “independent” body that acknowledges UK sovereignty while quietly allowing the EU to maintain jurisdiction over the UK – perhaps with a rigged EFTA-style court that ultimately submits to the ECJ.

Brussels’ flexible attitude to reality is, if nothing, authentically European. The word “real” itself comes from the Spanish “belonging to royalty”. And so it goes that, in the elite Remainer “reality”;, the EU can both defy UN Security Council resolutions and take the moral high ground on matters of international law. Brussels can both claim Britain is blowing up the Good Friday Agreement and insist on a protocol that usurps the principle of consent. Barnier can both take Canada off the table and play the part of drab consistency. And – vitally – the Brexit deal he offers can both be the deal that defiant Britain deserves and a good one.

It is essential our PM holds on to some basic truths. Funnily enough, the old English word “truth” is derived from the Germanic word for “contract̶1;. Johnson would do well to remember the democratic contract obliging him to deliver an honest Brexit to the voters who put him in No 10. Should he attempt to deceive the public, he risks going down as a bigger betrayer of UK sovereignty – and an even briefer serving Prime Minister – than Heath.

And so we come to no deal, if only by default. If the EU is determined to seduce Britain into an absurd deal, and if the PM risks his career and legacy in trying to sell a bad one, then by process of elimination, he only has one option left: walk away. ...Daily Telegraph

[xxxxxy] 08/10/2020 07:31

Sadly. I think the soul has gone from these places.

[xxxxxy] 08/10/2020 07:30

Lock down rulesBy JOHNREDWOOD | Published: OCTOBER 8, 2020I was working with a group of MPs led by Sir Graham Brady to secure debates and votes on the Rule of 6 and the 10pm curfew, which the government conceded. Both votes were to be held this week.Following my consultation on the Rule of 6, and following discussions with other MPs, it seemed best to vote against the Curfew measures. These do more economic damage than the rule of 6 , and are opposed by the Opposition giving us a real opportunity to win the vote. The Rule of 6 was not opposed by the Opposition.The consultation showed a predictable split of opinion, with some favouring laws and strong guidance over conduct to try to control the spread of the virus, and some wanting the controls removed to allow people to make their own decisions.I did not vote for the Rule of 6, wanting to see more evidence of how it would reduce the spread. Many people think, for example, that it should be amended to exclude young children. Yesterday we did not get a vote on the curfew which I wished to oppose. The government is presumably thinking again about the wisdom of this measure. It needs to bring this for ratification or defeat soon. Many think forcing people out onto the streets all at the same time at 10pm, with knock on effects on pavements and public transport in busy locations, is not a good idea. It can also transfer drinking from pubs to private homes which may not be as well set up to limit the spread of any airborne disease.The Rule of 6 passed by 287 to 17 with most of the Opposition abstaining but not against the measure in principle. If all the Opposition join Conservative opponents of the curfew it should be defeated. It is interesting that the Rule of 6 did not command a majority of the possible votes in the Commons.

[k38] 08/10/2020 01:44

Free trade or not deal!

Any give away (power control) will be seen by brexiteers as a betrayal from Boris and the conservatives. If that happens I can see elections next year and labour in power for the next 12 years..


By by conservatives... 60% of voters will never forgive you. Who's will dare to take over Boris unless is a useless politician ?

[mitchy] 07/10/2020 23:52

I don't think there will be any 'deal' other than free trade because Doris never intended to give away 39 Billion. He's an experienced divorcee.

[alphorn] 07/10/2020 23:38

I am not so sure at all.

[maxk] 07/10/2020 23:36

Perhaps not...





Alp.

We already have deals with most of the world under WTO, in our own right.

These can be finessed as is our wont. We dont need the €U to approve them.

[alphorn] 07/10/2020 23:19

max - a serious question for a change - just how long do you think that it would take the parties to negotiate Australia terms (or any other terms) and each have their own internal approvals? What happens in the meantime?

The two part answer btw is not 5mins.

[dexdringle] 07/10/2020 21:34

Not only will the banks be tasked with collecting bad debts (at their own expense) but also, regardless of the HMG guarantee, the banks will end up swallowing a whole load of write offs where HMG weasel their way out of the obligation. And the bank bosses won't resist they'll just roll over like with PPI. This is why we need to get rid of AHO asap.

[cheshire pete] 07/10/2020 21:27

Tory HQ leaking to the Graun...sounds a bit unlikely, as does the story. Wouldn't trust anything in the Graun anyway.

[jl5006] 07/10/2020 21:22

Guardian always full of fake stuff - just on line - G always knows - does it???????????????

[maxk] 07/10/2020 21:09

Here it comes, scorching hand brake turns by Doris..

[pandy999] 07/10/2020 20:28

YEP URSULA YON LEYDUN whatever !
25 years ago mmmmm

[cheshire pete] 07/10/2020 20:25

hxxps://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/brexit-eu-demands-boris-johnson-puts-uk-cards-on-table/ar-BB19NfQL?ocid=msedgdhp

er....hello, hasn't anyone told the EU we've left them, good bye arrivederci. To EU, you don't have the whip hand in the 'negotiations' any more. We're prepared to walk away and wait for you to come grovelling. Forget the £40 billion...you've had that in fish already.

[k38] 07/10/2020 20:13

You must be a brexiteer.. lol

[pandy999] 07/10/2020 20:07

Been doing shares 30 years sometimes one must inject a bit of humous.