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[minerve 2] 21/4/2020 11:00

A short time ago in a backward land, not that far away....
De Pfeffel Sleepwalker attempts to take back control.
ChewCummings has control of The Previous Millenia Falcon.....

[pierre oreilly] 21/4/2020 10:58

Mr e, are you saying all who die from covid just aren't thinking positively enough?

[minerve 2] 21/4/2020 10:54

Well they can open the restaurants and pubs but who is going to feel flush enough to go and spend spend spend?

We can't fill restaurants full of hedge fund owners Boris.

LOL

[minerve 2] 21/4/2020 10:52

There is evidence starting to mount that natural immunity eventually wears off within a year or so, so herd immunity naturally now seems a very bad idea. Immunity by vaccine is built on different viruses/synthetic viruses which have long standing immunity.

Listen to the scientists, don't listen to the government or their advisors working under duress.

[mr.elbee] 21/4/2020 10:43

and will the repurposed drugs have the B Gates stamp of approval on them?

what a load of tosh! Sunshine vitamins positive thinking[NO MSM AT ALL] are all unproven by the mad scientists..

God spare us all from their pathetic controlling minds and vaccines.

[pierre oreilly] 21/4/2020 10:33

Jeez, I'd get one next year iiwy. I'd guess that either you have natural immunity, or that if you catch it you'll have no defence built from previous infections. Also, you may be an asymptomatic flu carrier.

[mikemichael2] 21/4/2020 10:26

I've never had flu, never had the jab.....i'm 67 ya no!!

[pierre oreilly] 21/4/2020 10:17

CTR, but correlation isn't causation. Most dead people have been near a doctor the previous day for example.It come down to what bill gates said - things have to be tried, if thought safe, without previous levels of proof of causation. But there's a big risk in that which has to be accepted. There's been 4 or 5 weeks now of unproven drugs being tested on covid patients and I expect indications of useful repurposed drugs for covid will be published soon.

[maxk] 21/4/2020 10:12

Long time ago, I went to work in Australia on contract.

One of the conditions was that you had to have a TB shot. Is it the same thing, or are there different types of TB shot?

[pierre oreilly] 21/4/2020 10:11

Hopefully, one thing which comes from this will be that wondering around at work or public transport or going anywhere there are other people with a cold/cough/sneezing/ and other such contagious symptoms will be seen as extremely anti social. People who turn up at work with a stonking cold should be sent home.

[crossing_the_rubicon] 21/4/2020 10:01

@Maxidi

Interesting re the TB jab and Corona.


BCG jabs mean you are six times less likely to get coronavirus, study finds
New research suggests that countries with widespread tuberculosis vaccination programmes have much lower rates of the Covid-19 virus





Coronavirus death rate is SIX TIMES lower in countries that use the century-old tuberculosis BCG vaccine

[maxidi] 21/4/2020 09:56

The T.B. jab is still around. I wonder if that would work on covid. Just a thought?

[maxidi] 21/4/2020 09:53

It was interesting that those who had T.B. jabs as a child did not (as a whole) get covid. Of course if you're 40 stone it doesn't work.

I forget where I read it yesterday!

[ladeside] 21/4/2020 09:47

Patient, Yes, that pretty much sums it all up for me. There's no way that the Economic shock and long term repercussions are being priced in to the markets.

[maxidi] 21/4/2020 09:47

Pierre Oreilly

Wise words. Re flue and covid. My wife and I have a flue jab every year and touch wood we haven't had flue for many a year .We don't even think about it.

[pierre oreilly] 21/4/2020 09:33

CTR, vaccines cause herd immunity. Unless we live like this forever, then herd immunity- either natural or helped with vaccines- is the only possible answer. Covid won't cease to exist, it's with us forever. It'll be similar to the flu, herd immunity via vaccines plus natural body defences, which stops the mass spread, but everyone occasionally catching it and, like the flu, killing off the weak. No one mentions flu deaths these days, probably all put down to covid in the stats anyway. The vulnerable will always have to be mindful of covid imv, they don't seem to be to the flu. People with anything contagious shouldn't visit their granny for Sunday lunch. (Please extrapolate and don't say why are you going on about lunch).

[crossing_the_rubicon] 21/4/2020 09:21

@GBH2

I'm sure karma is coming their collective way..what it means for the rest of us who knows.

[maxk] 21/4/2020 09:20

Debt mutualisation by the back door?




EU should use perpetual bonds to finance Covid-19 recovery fund


Issue would be easiest, fastest and least costly way to establish fund needed to rebuild more than just members’ economies

Tue 21 Apr 2020 06.00 BST



George Soros



The European commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, has announced that Europe will need about €1tn (£873bn) to fight the Covid-19 pandemic. This money could be used to establish a European recovery fund. But where will the money come from?

I propose that the European Union should raise the money needed for the fund by selling “perpetual bonds”, on which the principal does not have to be repaid (although they can be repurchased or redeemed at the issuer’s discretion). Authorising this issue should be the first priority for the European council summit on 23 April.

It would, of course, be unprecedented for the EU to issue perpetual bonds, especially in such a large amount. But other governments have relied on perpetual bonds in the past. The best-known example is Britain, which used consolidated bonds (Consols) to finance the Napoleonic wars and war bonds to finance the first world war. These bond issues were traded in London until 2015, when both were redeemed. In the 1870s, the US Congress authorised the treasury to issue Consols to consolidate already existing bonds, and they were issued in subsequent years.

[crossing_the_rubicon] 21/4/2020 09:19

@MrElbee

"herd immunity is the only solution."

How many have to die to get herd immunity?

Are YOU prepared to die to get this herd immunity for the rest of us?

Herd immunity isnt the only solution - this is false.

Other solutions.
Vaccine.

[gbh2] 21/4/2020 09:05

Crossing, Managers had and have very little control, other than within their own Departments.

It's the Financial Elite that encouraged Greedy Company Directors to move Manufacturing jobs to Cheap Labour Countries and our self Interested Political Class that allowed it to happen.

[mr.elbee] 21/4/2020 08:56

so when was social distancing the right thing except for the old and frail?

Answer?
never

you all believe the ceaseless anti civilised propaganda

herd immunity is the only solution..

[xxxxxy] 21/4/2020 08:55

Maybe on track for Medieval Recovery.

[xxxxxy] 21/4/2020 08:54

New hospitals effectively empty and staff bored to back teeth.

[mr.elbee] 21/4/2020 08:54

they are marxists ..... I told you ..... PPI fraudulent claims was a marxist plot and this is the same.

[patientcapital] 21/4/2020 08:53

Ladeside, grist to the mill,"David Chao, global market strategist for Asia Pacific ex Japan at Invesco, said there was a disconnect between commodities such as oil that are sensitive to economic growth, which are pricing in a slower, more tentative recovery, and equity prices, which implied a milder recession.He said he thought the commodity market view was more realistic."We're not going to see a quick snapback recovery, or a V-shaped recovery in the U.S. or even in China, where the lockdowns have been largely removed," he said."