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[mr.elbee] 28/10/2019 09:38

stark raving bonkers.. why doesnt ONE journalist say the bleedin' obvious?.She is a danger to herself and others.

and she looks right grim

[gotnorolex] 28/10/2019 09:26

She's exalted herself to messianic status with Chuka as chief of the twelve apostles LOL! I remember Michael Jackson doing the same.

[minerve 2] 28/10/2019 09:26

Sentiment

You could argue with yourself in a telephone box.

I don't care what you think of my opinions. If you stay on this thread you are just going to have to get used to them old boy, just like everyone else.

[bargainbob] 28/10/2019 09:03

Minerve ,

Send details of the funeral please .

"Breaking News..."Minerve found battered to death by angry ex"

But that's ok. ..he said it's acceptable anyway.."

[poikka] 28/10/2019 09:02

Interesting how The Peoples Vote problems, although being hotly debated on the Today programme, still hasn't yet made it to BBC Online.

One Editor tells it the way it is, while the other hides negativity like that for as long as possible.

[poikka] 28/10/2019 09:00

The Swedes have allowed too many migrants in and are paying the price, as are we - and the rest of Europe for that matter.

Still, Merkel thought it was a good idea.

[maxk] 28/10/2019 08:50

Indeed graham. Enrichment is working out well for the Swedes.

[portside1] 28/10/2019 08:45

Op I have claimed nothing simply because I have never had a loan never had a mortgage ,But I no a few in the pub that have put in claims because of Being given false info by parasites ,Banks should pursue claimers if they did not have a claim for Time wasted and pay

[grahamite2] 28/10/2019 08:41

The Swedes have brought it on themselves by voting for the left. It's hard to feel much sympathy for them.

[maxk] 28/10/2019 08:33

Unbelievable, this is happening in a western €uropean country, and not a word in the mainstream press/tv.

[poikka] 28/10/2019 08:03

I see that the Peoples Vote are having troubles with the well paid top brass being kicked-out - maybe.

Such is life :)

[xxxxxy] 28/10/2019 07:30

People.Remember to keep BOYCOTTING the EUSSR.LEAVE and WTO

[xxxxxy] 28/10/2019 07:29

The EUSSR is FAECES.The EUSSR is Animal Farm in our time.LEAVE and WTO

[xxxxxy] 28/10/2019 07:27

Japan does not pay billions to trade.LEAVE and WTO

[xxxxxy] 28/10/2019 07:00

Forget the Kama Sutra, Labour's positions on Brexit now look more like 50 Shades of Delay
MICHAEL GOVE


Mark Keeler 28 Oct 2019 4:44AM
I'm against this deal but fear if we don't get this passed then we'll get sucked back into the EU completely.

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Don Whitehead 28 Oct 2019 5:31AM
@Mark Keeler

And this isn't being sucked into the EU completely and irrevocably: have you read the bloody thing

LIPSTICK ON BORIS’S PIG

Britain remains under EU rules but with no vote, no voice, no veto.

During the Withdrawal Agreement's extendable 'transition period' (which lasts until at least the end of 2020 and almost certainly years longer), we won't withdraw from the EU at all but become non-voting members. We will still be trapped in the EU customs union and single market, subject to all existing EU laws and any punitive new ones they might pass And we'll be under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice.The difference is we won't have any say

EU judges can still override our laws.

The ECJ – a foreign court – governs the Treaty and EU law takes precedence. Future British parliaments will be bound to obey ECJ rulings, and UK judges will be obliged to overturn laws passed by our Parliament if the ECJ says they don't comply with the Treaty or the EU laws it enables. In some cases, the ECJ will rule for years even after the transition ends.

We won't control our fishing.

The dreadful Common Fisheries Policy continues in UK waters during the extendable transition period, but we will have no say in it.That means huge foreign trawlers plundering our waters at the expense of our coastal communities. After the transition, the Political Declaration signs us up to sharing 'access to water and quota shares' – which equals continued EU exploitation of UK fishing grounds.

We still won't be free to trade as we see fit.

Boris boasts of leaving the EU customs union. Yet the Political Declaration states any future free trade agreement with the EU must ensure 'a level playing field and 'deep regulatory and customs cooperation'. This means sticking to EU rules. It will be hard for the UK to reduce tariff barriers to cut the cost of living and make trade deals with other nations. The PD also requires we pursue 'ambitious customs objectives that are in line with the Parties' objectives and principles') – another restrictive EU customs union in all but name.


We won't have control of our tax or state aid policies.

EU law applies to the UK during the transition period, and beyond that the Political Declaration obliges the UK to adopt EU rules on state aid rules and 'relevant tax matters' . This all means we can't change tax rates to be more competitive and can't assist a strategic industry such as British Steel.

Britain can't pursue an independent foreign policy.

The Treaty restricts UK sovereignty by preventing us taking 'any action likely to conflict with or impede' EU foreign policy – despite having no say in policy making. The UK will be signed up to all EU treaties, including new ones, throughout the transition period, and must 'refrain... from any action... which is likely to be prejudicial' to EU interests within international organisations such as the United Nations Security Council and the WTO.

Britain can't pursue an independent defence policy.

The Political Declaration commits us to security integration through the European Defence Agency and the European Defence Fund. We will fund the EU's military plans during the transition period at least, and British troops in EU battlegroups will be under foreign command.

The United Kingdom will be divided.

The Treaty creates a de facto customs and regulatory border in the Irish Sea between Northern Ireland and Britain. Goods moving between NI and Britain will be checked. Citizens living in NI would effectively be staying in the EU, without any say in their laws, for at least four years after the transition and quite possibly forever. In other words, the UK gives up part of its sovereign territory —for what?


We pay the EU billions and get nothing in return.

The Treaty commits us to pay a sum to be decided by the EU. The £39bn payment demanded is likely to be just the start, with billions more to follow.

We'll be trapped by the Political Declaration


The problems won't end with the transition period. Don't be fooled just because the Political Declaration on future relations is not legally binding the Withdrawal Agreement requires us to use 'best endeavours, in good faith' to negotiate a future deal in line with the PD. Any breach of this duty will see the EU haul Britain before an arbitration panel – half EU appointees, half pro-EU judges from the UK. And the panel must defer to the European court on anything concerning EU Law. If they rule that a UK law goes against the Political Declaration, UK courts will have to overturn that law. The Political Declaration is a trap from which there is no plausible escape.

Can any Brexiteer inclined to support this Treaty honestly say that it amounts to a proper Brexit? A Clean-Break Brexit remains the best deal for Britain. We need a General Election for a Leaver alliance to win a big majority and make the Brexit we voted for a reality.

[xxxxxy] 28/10/2019 06:48

Anyone for an election?

By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: OCTOBER 28, 2019

It is unlikely this Parliament is about to vote to dissolve itself and hold an election. The massed ranks of the Opposition parties, usually so keen for an election, are shy about meeting electors on the doorstep and giving them the chance of change. The SNP and Lib Dem offer is tactical and linked to trying to stop Brexit. They are busy lobbying the EU to keep us in The EU for longer as a precondition for any election.

Labour after months of demands for a poll now say they wish to take so called No deal off the agenda first. They now say that could take them to December 2020 to be sure of that. They might as well say they do not want an election before the Thames freezes over. Given their strong belief in Global warming they should feel safe for a few years with that pledge.

Boris Johnson told the rallies and meetings before he became Leader that he did not want an early election. He assumed he could deliver Brexit on 31 October.

Now he is desperate for one, given the impasse in Parliament and the way his majority has disappeared.

A General election could break the logjam in this rotten Parliament if electors are in decisive mood. Were the vote to splinter too much with four or five parties in contention, we could end up with another hung Parliament which could perpetuate the block over Brexit and the difficulty in forming a government with a majority that can do things..

One of the most common messages I currently receive is Cromwell’s speech when dissolving the Long Parliament. This much purged Parliament wished to perpetuate itself after the death of the King and the advent of the Commonwealth. Presumably my correspondents think they see similarities to today.

There are however very important differences. Cromwell arrived with 40 soldiers to close the Parliament down, using the force of the New Model Army against Parliament. He did not plan a new Parliament, but planned a personal autocracy as he became Lord Protector.

What we want instead is an election to try to change the personnel of Parliament. The gap between what this Parliament wants about Brexit and want voters want is too great. Worse still, many MPs were elected to see Brexit through only to go back on their word and do everything in their power to delay or prevent Brexit.

[corpbull] 27/10/2019 22:47

I despise men who hit women.

"Do you despise women that hit men?"

Not really. No.

M2 you need to have a Brain Scan!

Do you despise Women that lies and Steal your money?

Do you despise Women that take you to the Dry Cleaners and hang you dry?

I would! They deserves all that is coming to her!

[stonedyou] 27/10/2019 22:37

Brexiteers didn’t crack and have now finally won the battle, writes FREDERICK FORSYTH


There will come a time when the utter chaos to which we have all been subjected

for the past three-and-a-half years will be examined with hindsight, made sense of

and explained. But some things are unavoidable even now.


They all date back to the truly extraordinary night of June 23, 2016 – the night

they counted the British referendum votes. Slowly the high-ups, here and in

Europe, realised with stunned horror they had all been wrong. The British had

clearly voted to leave the european Union. The referendum was totally legal,

created by an act of parliament with huge majorities. It was not rigged.

Campaigners on both sides had exaggerated but that is true of all general

elections – which was exactly what the referendum was.And all political groupings,

including today’s remainers, had pledged to respect and abide by the outcome. And

then they got the shock of their complacent little lives and half of them reneged

on that pledge. They are still doing so, with increasing hysteria.


Our media were so obsessed with the situation in the UK they ignored the shock levels in Brussels.


Over there it was as if they had stuck their collective thumb into an electric socket.

But they recovered and devised an agenda that abides to this day – that if the UK insisted on departing it would do so on conditions so utterly ruinous that no other country would ever con- sider following suit.

That has been the eU’s policy for over three years.

In its pursuit Brussels soon received a gift from the gods.

The Tory government appointed the worst prime minister in history to succeed the failed David Cameron.

Predictably the very clever negotiators in Brussels ran rings around her.

We have all watched the schmoozing, over-long handshakes, embraces, back-pats and beaming smiles.

All phoney as a four-pound note. For the True Believers, here and across the Channel, leaving the EU is not a judgmental error. It is heresy.




The complete unication of the continent into one federal nation-state is not a project.

It is a faith, a creed, a religion, and we have unforgivably offended it.

Hence the unrelenting campaign to force us to revoke our decision. The diehards of Brussels are not our friends at all.

A key of course has been the deliberately invented and unnecessary Irish backstop, which does not apply to the four Swiss borders with the EU nor Norway’s long border with Sweden.

Also invented was the No-Deal catastrophe.

Add to that the revoke campaign inside Britain, ardently supported and funded by renegades of all stripes.

This in-house revoke campaign has steadily grown into a parliamentary majority in Commons and Lords, even though its supporters once swore to respect the referendum outcome.

Then came Boris Johnson, the first Brexiteer from Day One.

It took the lumbering Tory party years to finally get there but, despite half the media conducting the most virulent hate campaign I have ever seen, this is where we now are.

A true Brexiteer is in Downing Street.

[stonedyou] 27/10/2019 22:33

bbalan - "National identity and its' relevance in the European Union is well understood by those of us who voted in 1975 to 'stay in' the then 'Common Market', of which we had been a Member for 3 years. Nationalism is a fickle concept oft used for nefarious deeds that so often lead to War. The idea of developing an encompassing identity to circumvent this was and is welcome. (Red ticks of course welcome)"

Think you're not quite getting it, bb: it was Maastricht, on which we didn't get a vote, that made the difference, not 1975.

Maastricht changed the EEC into the EC, ie., from being an economic structure to an all encompassing organisation. Lisbon just adds to that and will lead Europe into its logical (to some) conclusion - the USoE.

You may consider national identities immaterial, and maybe one day that might come to pass, but it's quite possible to keep those national traits and characteristics without it leading to war, as you suggest. This is 2019, not 1938, and communication and travel have got rid of the extreme versions of national ID - save for the most extreme one-party states, and even there folk outside of party HQs are accommodating to other nationalities.