Lloyds Banking Share Discussion Threads

[k38] 20/8/2019 10:49

Boris always had said a good deal is welcome, he never said he will not hold talks with Brussels snakes.. But TMs deal is dead and he will get out with a New Deal or Not Deal.Media and their followers are bast@rds and liars.

[alphorn] 20/8/2019 10:33

P - you are touchy this morning!

Have a coffee break.

[poikka] 20/8/2019 10:31

I guess that it's not worth repeating that most on this thread would love a deal with the Europe, but not at the expense of our freedom from the EU burden.

Not only do we get fake news from Alphorn, but he also puts words into our mouths.

Credibility on a steep downward slope.

[alphorn] 20/8/2019 10:30

"damned if he does and damned if he doesn't"

That has always been the issue - underlying views are as near as damn it 50/50.

[poikka] 20/8/2019 10:28

He has to be seen to be making an effort, if he continues "a la May" that would bother me.

Looks like a case of being damned if he does and damned if he doesn't - make overtures.

[alphorn] 20/8/2019 10:26

Max - simply because a No Deal is only supported by posters on this thread and a couple of other people. BoJo will be better at tarting up and selling some form of deal. That is what he is good at.
Plenty of time yet.

[maxk] 20/8/2019 10:21

Perhaps Alp.

My worry is that Boris will try to foist a tarted up May type "deal" on us.


Shurely he knows that wont wash anymore? But why is he going to them a la May?

[alphorn] 20/8/2019 09:59

max - that is why the markets have not yet priced in a No Deal.

Everyone and their dog believes that some agreement will be reached at the 11th hour. Maybe?

[minerve 2] 20/8/2019 09:44

Andrew hanging around Epstein brothels?

Harry and Meg flying around in private jets?

Meanwhile, children dying of cancer when they could be cured.

Come on, time this royal ruse was shot in the head.

They are just ordinary folk, parasites off of others, benefit claimers unsurpassed, a waste of space.

[crossing_the_rubicon] 20/8/2019 09:33

The public is warned that following a no-deal Brexit, food may be in such short supply that outbreaks of cannibalism are likely

Is your neighbour a cannibal ? Signs to watch out for.

Excessively long thighbones in their dustbin
Blood around the corners of a neigbour’s mouth on leaving home
Unusual screams coming from next door.
A chainsaw operating in the small hours?
Have any of your friends or neigbours vanished recently?
Are any of your children missing?
Dentists to report patients with excessively long canines
Has you neighbour recently built an outsize barbecue
Unusually large meat pies on sale at your local market
Worried ?

Text ‘bones’ to anthropophagy 1122

Saw it, Save it, Freeze it

[mr.elbee] 20/8/2019 09:24

shows the Police have nothing to do.

[poikka] 20/8/2019 09:24

lippy4 - "poiikka he (Alps) is being sarcastic...."

Oh, you mean fake news! How can I ever again trust what Alphorn writes.

[polar fox] 20/8/2019 09:12

Amusing, maxk. But I do think the whole thing could be improved if the signs are changed to comment appropriately on Boris Johnson as PM, his policies and MO.

[xxxxxy] 20/8/2019 08:32

pascal-pierre saunier 20 Aug 2019 8:26AMI suspect he will get as much or little, as TM got. I hope the EU will stick to its guns. In the future the EU and UK will have a peaceful relationship once the ties have been fully cut. As long as the UK is bound to the EU it will be difficult to find a good basis for discussion. So the best is a clean brexit, no transition and a hard border. Then the EU should also tell Ireland that keeping CTA is not compatible with EU membership because it seems Ireland is more interested in CTA than fully embracing the EU. As for the Gfa, a hard border doesn't prevent both communities to work together.

[xxxxxy] 20/8/2019 08:18

Taxing the richBy JOHNREDWOOD | Published: AUGUST 20, 2019Recent Treasury figures demonstrate that Mr Osborne's assault on Non Doms in the UK has meant some have left the UK.  Rather than have to pay UK tax on their worldwide assets and income a good number of very rich people have decided they will not stay at all in the UK and will no longer pay UK taxes on UK  investments and  no longer earn money and profits here in the UK and pay tax on them. It means we lose the ability to tax  their purchases of homes, cars and the other items they enjoyed when here. The  number of Non Doms fell from 90,500 in 2016-17 to 78,300 in 2017-18. Their payments of CGT, Income Tax and NI fell from £9.5bn to £7.5bn. We also lost other consumption and transaction taxes they would have paid including Stamp Duty, VED, VAT and others. It is true some of the Non Doms converted to being domiciled here and now  pay tax as a resident  as an offset,  but others simply left and pay  nothing. The Treasury does not give us an overall figure of total tax paid by rich foreigners in both categories.I am defining rich here as someone who has substantial investment wealth above and beyond their home or homes, people who do not have to work to earn a living and who can sustain an expensive lifestyle without getting a job. I am not talking about the well off who sustain a high quality of life by well paid employment income and who work for UK based companies or institutions.In a world where people are  rightly condemned for saying unpleasant things about  groups or categories of people, an exception is made for the rich. Politicians of the left delight in tribal incantations against the super rich, often condemning them for the crimes of a few. I have met various rich people in my time in politics and government. I have met or read about  saints and sinners. Some are modest, caring and keen to help others. Others are  self seeking and self promoting. Some are scrupulously careful to do the right thing, others keen to push the boundaries of the rules. A few I see in the media   are criminals who have broken laws to make their fortune or to try to sustain it. Most are law abiding, and take advice to try to comply with very complex tax and property laws that countries now apply.  There is no evidence to suggest that there are more rich cheats as a percentage than cheats from any other income level in society. We should exercise the same care when seeking to describe the rich as a group, as we do when trying to describe a national or religious grouping.Some argue that there is no trickle down, that there is no advantage to a country in attracting globally rich people to spend time and money in our community. I find this difficult to understand. There is clearly a first round effect when a person arrives in the UK and invests money in homes and businesses. They may bring a new business we need, or they may fund businesses here that require cash. There is a continuing benefit from the employment they generate from the things they buy and the services they need. There may be a final benefit if they come to love our country, as they may go on to endow charities or leave some other legacy.To those who say they have driven the prices of homes up needlessly against the rest of us, I would say they competed to buy homes most of us  could  never afford. They have brought forward a new export business especially for London of building high specification very expensive flats we would not otherwise have developed. These in turn spawn substantial employment to furnish them, service them, supervise and manage them. The German business model has been to sell rich people expensive cars they do not  need but want. The UK model has been to sell them expensive homes they like but do not need.The UK over many centuries has welcomed entrepreneurs and other wealthy investors to our shores. From the Hugenot cloth makers to the middle European bankers, from the oil sheiks to the Russian emigres, the UK has provided a home for people who can make a difference and who soon contribute from their UK incomes substantial UK tax revenue. Maybe it is time to revisit this question of how we tax them. We need to tax them to make a good contribution to our needs, whilst remaining competitive internationally.