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[blusteradjuster] 02/10/2018 14:13

Bruce,

I’m sure Boris is a man of principle who has the best interests of the 52% at heart.

[grannyboy] 02/10/2018 14:08

Really brucie, lurrvve..you need to phone your son and ask what he thinks..maybe you could take your cue from him!!..

[brucie5] 02/10/2018 13:54

Curious that he didn't jump ship until after David Davies don't you find? And that Govie stayed on... What could be going on there?


Or is that anything like writing two articles for the Telegraph, one for and one against? Before deciding which one to publish. Odd innit.

But presumably you don't think he actually means what he says?

[fireplace22] 02/10/2018 13:46

Good speech by Boris, encouraged May to go back to Lancaster Gate principles and chuck chequers as expected.

[brucie5] 02/10/2018 13:41

blusteradjuster
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This is just the beginning. JH trying to cultivate his own little patch of squalid, bless him. 'If Boris can do it, why can't I?'

Nothing like polarising language to get you noticed ahead of a leadership election.

[mroalan] 02/10/2018 13:26

ah yes the wisdom of youth.

[mount teide] 02/10/2018 13:01

ALL pretence of civility over Brexit negotiations with Europe ended today as EU big-beasts and rank and file members viciously turned on Britain at a major debate in Strasbourg.

German MEP Elmar Brok, who also sits on Parliament's Brexit Steering Group, set the tone for the 'debate' when he got up and accused the UK PM of not being democratically elected. In an outrageous outburst, he said Mrs May only clings to power after "kissing the Queen's ring".

The well-sharpened EU knives then came out like never before in the Brexit debate as speaker after speaker castigated Britain for Brexit - leaving MEP’s in no doubt no quarter would now be given in the UK’s exit from the European Union.

Arch-federalist Guy "four jobs" Verhofstadt with spittle flying screamed the EU would "never compromise on anything for anyone". He raged "We will never do anything that would undermine the principles of our union – never!” lol The New York Mafia has more principles than that lot of lying, self serving, tax evading shysters!


A number of attacks also focused on Jeremy Hunt's Conservative conference speech, which saw him compare the EU to a 'Soviet prison' not allowing Britain to leave.

German MEP Manfred Weber accused the Foreign Secretary of reaching a "new level of populism" and demanded an apology for his remarks.

Nigel Farage was one of few MEPs(other than Poles and Hungarian's) to come to Mr Hunt's defence.

He said: "For a decade here I've noticed the centralising authoritarian tone began to sound very like the old Soviet Union, the concept of limited sovereignty of individual nation states. We've shifted the debate."

Marek Jurek, MEP for Poland, said he was surprised that what Mr Hunt said had caused such a problem. He added, "i'm all for high standards in this Parliament, so why are we still waiting for Mr Verhofstadt's apology for his recent appalling rant that Mr Orban was 'acting as Herr Goebbels used to act' and why did none of you now demanding apologies from Mr Hunt stand up and demand an apology from Mr Verhofstadt?".

[grannyboy] 02/10/2018 13:00

NO...The decision to LEAVE was the majority decision...

Its the remainers like yourself that should jump on the bonfire..

THE REMAINERS LOST...THE LEAVERS HAVE NOTHING TO JUMP ON THE BONFIRE FOR...

You obviously don't like the decision..so YOU really do need to go live in another eu country, while you have chance..

[brucie5] 02/10/2018 12:55

Granny,

You have the perfect right light a bonfire and jump on it. No-one can take that away from you. Just don't require everyone else, particular those paying your pension, to follow.

Because soon enough, they may choose to stop paying. But that may be be some time after there's no one left to look after you.

And sorry, that's all I have to say to you. You're filtered. Probably better for both our sakes.

[grannyboy] 02/10/2018 12:52

THEY CALL IT EU BRAINWASHING....SOMETHING YOU SUFFER FROM!!!

[grannyboy] 02/10/2018 12:49

Hahaha..I love it...

The gangsters in brussels are wanting Jeremy Hunt to apologise for claiming said gangsters are like the Soviet Union...

Jeremy Hunt also said if you were kept a prisoner, like all prisoners want to escape, and the more they try to keep you prisoner the more will want to leave...

[brucie5] 02/10/2018 12:48

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Brucie - yes i have spoken to youngsters in Spain, Italy and Portugal - overwhelming the resource was "something has got to be done because there is no light at the end of the tunnel". Many still cling to the naive belief that "reform" within the EU is still possible but can't understand why its taking so long?
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Ok, you've gone some way to answering my question. But you know the next part. Did they therefore all want to leave the EU?

Reason being, 'Something has got to be done' is rarely the same as, 'We therefore want to leave the EU'.

I had a memorable conversation when travelling in Crete, with an very well informed restaurant owner, who bemoaned the way the EU had effectively destroyed what there was of the Greek manufacturing base. I think even the butter on the table came from Holland. But once Greece had made televisions, until joining the EU enabled them to buy better versions from Phillips.

So I said to him, there you'll be voting to leave the EU? He said No way. The consequences on the economy would be even more dire. Not even Varoufakis, whose book, 'And the Weak Suffer what they Must' I strongly recommend, incidentally, wants Greece to leave, and he's among its fiercest critics.

I agree that Germany has presided over the demise of Southern European economies - to some extent. But those countries are not just hapless victims of the Euro, they have also refused to reform and innovate. What you then need to acknowledge, is the difference between THEM and US. We have prospered, and to Brexit ideologues like Rees Mogg, I have to repeat, there is really NO economic advantage in leaving- even over 50 years!!!!

That is why I think the title of Varoufakis' book, taken incidentally from Thucydides' account of the seige of Melos during the Peloponnesian War, is so telling. The weak and the poor in the UK must now suffer on account of Brexit. There is really no other way. Because however you add lipstick to the pig, it's still a pig. And when tax revenues go down, services, on which the poor disproportionately depend, will suffer.

[grannyboy] 02/10/2018 12:38

There YOU intelligent ones go again...YOU want us plebs to believe YOU remainer s are the intelligent, clever ones..but YOU can't even read grammar correctly...And not only that..It wasn't a party manifesto, the LEAVE side couldn't make budget decisions ...

Hope that helps!!! !!

And I didn't need something said on the side of a bus for me to decide..

[mount teide] 02/10/2018 12:33

Brucie - yes i have spoken to youngsters in Spain, Italy and Portugal - overwhelming the response was "something has got to be done because there is no light at the end of the tunnel". Many still cling to the naive belief that "reform" within the EU is still possible but can't understand why its taking so long?

With the economic straightjacket of these Nation's current debt levels and membership of the hugely misconceived Euro getting ever tighter, as economic historian Niall Ferguson said, "they have no chance of ever escaping from its disastrous impact". At least with their own currencies they could have devalued, taked the medicine and moved on. Not any longer. As one astute Italian business owner told me: "our politicians and the Euro have between them taken away our children's futures" - how right he is.

[fireplace22] 02/10/2018 12:30

And the Greek Govt that wanted to leave the Euro a few years ago and were thwarted by Merkel as it would have been the first step in the disintegration of the Euro?

[brucie5] 02/10/2018 12:29

grannyboy
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Let me tell you about what was written in the side of a bus!!!

It stated £350million pounds a week 'COULD' be spent on the NHS...
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Oh, COULD. That's TOTALLY different. As in ENGLAND MIGHT WIN THE NEXT WORLD CUP.
In which case I think you mean, MIGHT, don't you? As in, 'PIGS MIGHT FLY'?

But you believed it, that's the main thing. and I can see nothing, short of something I really wouldn't want to wish on you, will change your mind.

[brucie5] 02/10/2018 12:25

fireplace22
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Brucie I refer you to Jeremy Hunts speech the other day about the EU is more difficult to leave than it was to leave the Warsaw Pact. ...and that's without having the shackles of being in the Eurozone.
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Yes, I look out for Stasi informers every time I go to Holland. And the poor benighted population trying to sell me cheese in return for hard currency. No wonder they have such a sh*te football team. Oh, and that's not to mention the Gulags.

Exactly like the Warsaw Pact.

[grannyboy] 02/10/2018 12:22

Let me tell you about what was written in the side of a bus!!!

For YOU intelligent ones of course...

It stated £350million pounds a week 'COULD' be spent on the NHS...

Now we have you so called experts claiming it isn't this figure, and claim it is a much lower figure...

Well wrong, at the time of the referendum, the figures for the year at the time was behind the curve, it was later proved to be not only correct but higher...

[au24] 02/10/2018 12:21

Most imports are on benefits stealing from the Waspi's that now have to wait for what is rightfully theirs,while the rest of the imports who work here are on tax credits.Yes there are a few that pay their way l admit. But then send what they make back home rather than spend it here.

[brucie5] 02/10/2018 12:20

grannyboy
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Well done to your sons persuading manner!!
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Yes, I'm really proud of him. State school, and first in economics. Now after working on a UK hi-tech start up, he's off to Brussels to learn about how we can export more effectively to the EU.

Boy done good. I listen. He listens. We both learn. Maybe that's why.

[fireplace22] 02/10/2018 12:16

Brucie I refer you to Jeremy Hunts speech the other day about the EU is more difficult to leave than it was to leave the Warsaw Pact. ...and that's without having the shackles of being in the Eurozone.