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[serratia] 02/10/2018 12:15

Perhaps Ireland's recent success is in part due to their low corporation tax which also attracts the 'nominal' offices for multi national companies.
Hungary last year cut theirs from 19% to 9% so it will be worth seeing how they get on.

List of tax rates by country -

hxxps://taxfoundation.org/corporate-income-tax-rates-around-the-world-2017/

[grannyboy] 02/10/2018 12:15

HAHAHA, out comes the claims of 'reading intellectual's musings', in attempts at trying to show their intelligence...LOL!!

Well it didn't take much from YOUR son to turn YOU from been a dithering 'sit on the fence' merchant, to a full blooded europhiliac..

Well done to your sons persuading manner!!

[brucie5] 02/10/2018 12:11

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And let's not forget, foreigners building the houses.....FOR THEM TO LIVE IN...An house needs to be built every 5 minutes, just to keep up with immigration.....
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Granny,

I wish your words had been written on the side of that Brexit Bus. Would have been a bit more honest. At least I can't fault you for saying what you think. But I don't think that amounts to a conversation.

[brucie5] 02/10/2018 12:09

Mount Teide
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Brucie - listen to the kids? lol - go to southern Europe and have a chat to the youngsters and ask them what they think about the poverty and near 50% unemployment for a decade! With no end in site courtesy of the disastrous Euro.
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MT, you come up with some good questions, at least I think this is a question. Why would Italian youth, or Greek youth for that matter want to remain in the EU given their unemployment. So, have you asked them?

Come back to me when you have.

[grannyboy] 02/10/2018 12:08

Ho yes silly me.....all the 'british' workers are in University earning themselves meaningless diplomas in meaningless occupations...leaving university and not earning enough to pay back the loans they took out to fulfil their folly...only ones to benefit being the universities....

Yes we have seen tv programmes on home care and the patience been robbed by these 'home carers'...

And let's not forget, foreigners building the houses.....FOR THEM TO LIVE IN...An house needs to be built every 5 minutes, just to keep up with immigration.....

[mount teide] 02/10/2018 12:06

Brucie - listen to the kids? lol - go to southern Europe and have a chat to the youngsters and ask them what they think about the poverty and near 50% unemployment for a decade! With no end in site courtesy of the disastrous Euro.

98.3% of British youngsters only ever contact with Europe over the last 43 years has been to go there on holiday occasionally/if they were lucky. Over 80% of the 1.2m Brits that now reside in Europe live in just 5 countries and nearly half of them are wealthy retirees.

Although the immigration figures into the UK peaked at 330,000 a year in 2016 - this masks what is really going on because it is a net figure. Wealthy Brits are leaving the UK to retire aboard while the overwhelming majority of immigrants coming into the UK are minimum wage workers subsidised by the UK taxpayer. Migration Watch has calculated the annual number of minimum wage workers coming into the UK is close to twice the net level above and as they say that's before you add in the estimated 70,000 a year (greater than the current British Army headcount) coming in every year as illegals.

Most people under the age of 25 have not got the life experience to make informed judgements on very much anything - that's why they are attracted to the snake oil salesman selling socialism, despite it having never proved successful anywhere it has been tried.

[brucie5] 02/10/2018 12:05

Bluster, yes, Daniel Kahneman, a great thinker and a great book. The first Nobel economist, I believe, who was not actually, primarily, an economist, because he saw the significance of psychology to the way economics actually operates in real life. The Brexiteers have played a blinder on that score, knowing that given the right emotions, the electorate will not make a rational decision. The trouble is, once even a bad decision is taken, it is much harder to persuade someone that they have chosen wrongly, because of the loss that might entail, than to persuade them of the right decision in the first place. It will take a lot of pain before the true implications of Brexit actually changes the minds of people like Grannyboy. But depending on how wealthy he is, or how safe his pension, he may not have to weather that storm himself. Particularly if he's sat reading the Daily Mail in his bunker, and avoiding conversations with his children.

[blusteradjuster] 02/10/2018 11:58

Bruce,

Reading this thread this morning, it seems the EU is screwing poor countries ... by giving them €bns in handouts.

Reeks of cognitive dissonance..

[brucie5] 02/10/2018 11:56

grannyboy
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The reason Ireland is the fastest growing economy could be down to the UK being their largest export market...

Once we LEAVE we should tell the Irish..We prefer to do business with Australia/ New Zealand, etc..that would teach them ..eh!!...In other words don't bite the hand that feeds you.!!
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Grannyboy, are you for real, or are you Alf Garnett posing as a Brexiteer?

May I ask who you think it is that currently feeds you? Picks your fruit, builds your houses, cleans your hospital floors, looks after you when you are elderly and in need of care? Do a quick audit, and see if you can work out how any of these lovely people share your views on Jonny Foreigner.

Lol.

[blusteradjuster] 02/10/2018 11:45

True Bruce.

Reminds me of a book I read this year - “Thinking, fast and slow”.

The populists are very skilled at appealing to our lazy System 1 - bypassing System 2.

It’s mendaciously misleading .. but the human brain is simply a sucker for it.

[grannyboy] 02/10/2018 11:41

The reason Ireland is the fastest growing economy could be down to the UK being their largest export market...

Once we LEAVE we should tell the Irish..We prefer to do business with Australia/ New Zealand, etc..that would teach them ..eh!!...In other words don't bite the hand that feeds you.!!

As to the other gem of countries falling over themselves to join the dictatorship...Yes ALL the poor struggling ones who would rely on the £billion handouts...

[brucie5] 02/10/2018 11:41

blusteradjuster
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In fairness Bruce, elements of our press/media have been blaming any/all of the issues in EU/Euro countries on the EU/Euro itself - as if these countries can’t screw-up on a national level - for many, many years.

You can’t completely undo that kind of indoctrination with just a few posts here.

Patience required..
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Bluster,

You make an important point. The EU has been a soft target for every politician of left and right, though more often the right, when they want to score a few cheap, populist points. This is what Boris discovered years ago, while he was a journalist. Since when he's been fired for lying - how many times?


But people like easy points, and enjoy what Boris feeds them. Exactly the same thing has happened in the US where Trump has said he could stand on Fifth Avenue and shoot someone, and people would still vote for him. People are tired of the truth, because it's usually quite complex. Aaron Banks, in an interview after Brexit, quite candidly spoke of what he had learned from the American Right after Trump's triumph: that if the electorate was still talking economics on polling day, he would lose; but if they were talking immigration, he would win. One demands complex thinking, the other, a simple emotion.

[brucie5] 02/10/2018 11:33

So we have Greece, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal and Ireland that are finacial basket cases as a result of being in the Euro.
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Two points: firstly, your assumption about all these countries being 'basket cases' is rather odd. Ireland is currently has the fastest euro zone growth. Try this for size. (It's also benefitting tremendously from displacement of jobs and capital from the UK as result of Brexit. Ask Mr. Rees Mogg, who is proving rather helpful, along, no doubt with other Brexit millionaires)



As for the others, yes youth unemployment is high, which is large structural problem, but having recently visited Bosnia, a country which would give its eye teeth to join the EU, and comparing it with Croatia, which has managed to do so, the opportunities for trade and opportunities more than makes up for it. That's why countries outside generally want to move inside.

But secondly, you must have noticed that we're not actually in the Euro, so we have been able to have a flexible currency. Yes? We're not in Schengen, either; nor were we part of the European aspiration towards 'Ever Closer Union'. So we had it pretty good, some might say, the best of both worlds.

Hence the insanity of leaving.

[fireplace22] 02/10/2018 11:32

And you are going to give us an in-depth commentary on why the EU is such a wonderful thing to be part of pray continue...

[yieldhunter] 02/10/2018 11:31

oh do turn it in jazza, you are becoming very tiresome

[blusteradjuster] 02/10/2018 11:28

Thanks for that detailed explanation of the complex mechanics of European politics, trade, economics/education/tax policies both nationally and collectively.

I think you’re winning me over..

[fireplace22] 02/10/2018 11:26

bluster, would the German economy be anything like as competitive as it is now if it still had the mark. No. Who has paid the price for that, S. Europe.

[blusteradjuster] 02/10/2018 11:21

Ha!

Fireplace made my point for me with his post just before mine above.

It’s all the EU/Euro’s (and the bloody Germans!) fault - I’ve been reading it in the Daily Mail for years!

[blusteradjuster] 02/10/2018 11:19

In fairness Bruce, elements of our press/media have been blaming any/all of the issues in EU/Euro countries on the EU/Euro itself - as if these countries can’t screw-up on a national level - for many, many years.

You can’t completely undo that kind of indoctrination with just a few posts here.

Patience required..

[fireplace22] 02/10/2018 11:18

So we have Greece, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal and Ireland that are finacial basket cases as a result of being in the Euro. We have Poland, Romania and Bulgaria losing their youth at a tremendous rate of knots due to their economic failure and you still insist that we should still be in it because one or two other countries are doing ok? Germany and the Benelux countries have succeeded as the Euro has been artificially kept down by sacrificing the economies of the S European countries. To repeat its a cess-pit.

[brucie5] 02/10/2018 11:08

grannyboy
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Well you certainly don't read books...you do as you son tells you..you are a weak indecisive wimp!!!

And I am no BoJo fan either...I THINK FOR MYSELF.
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Yes, you've made that very clear. And I'm particularly impressed by YOUR UPPER CASE SHOUTING.

[brucie5] 02/10/2018 11:07

fireplace, the point is, we don't and neither has Holland. As I'm sure you know France has inflexible employment laws that have nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with their own past ways of doing things. Macron has vowed to change this - whether he will succeed or not, again has nothing to do with the EU.

For countries that can retain flexibility and innovation, and export high value goods and service, like ours, the EU is a great trading block. Where we fall down is in our productivity, again nothing to do with the EU, and our skills training. But if Germany and Holland can get this right, the answer, obviously, surely, lies in emulating their success, not chucking our toys out the pram!

[grannyboy] 02/10/2018 11:02

Well you certainly don't read books...you do as you son tells you..you are a weak indecisive wimp!!!

And I am no BoJo fan either...I THINK FOR MYSELF.

[fireplace22] 02/10/2018 11:02

Brucie, France unemployment is over 9% and youth unemployment there over 20%. How much more evidence do your kids need to see that the EU and particularly the Euro project is an abject failure.

[brucie5] 02/10/2018 10:56

No it's not sad..It's a fact...kids do NOT know everything..especially today's young who have been brainwashed by the EU ideology claptrap...
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So much I could say...won't bother.
Good luck with Brexit and Boris. Hope your pension is secure. And don't read any challenging books or have any challenging conversations, or encounter any new ideas. And above all stay in your bunker. I hope you've stockpiled.