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[carter633] 24/4/2020 09:45

I'm at LHR and funnily enough they're expecting end of 2022/ start of 2023 to get back to 100% operational so Logan isn't far wrong with LGW... But it's all based on worst case scenario planning. People are desperate to get on holiday after all of this - bums will fill plane seats and the prices of those trips will be the lowest we've seen in a while

[jailbird] 24/4/2020 09:44

Thanks Toon

[qantas] 24/4/2020 09:28

Please do your own research as always.

[gooner1886] 24/4/2020 09:26

Lol what a load of tosh

[jailbird] 24/4/2020 09:25

Do you have a source address ?

[loganair] 24/4/2020 09:03

Gatwick has warned it could take up to four years for demand for flights to recover from the coronavirus pandemic.

[loganair] 23/4/2020 22:17

Easyjet - flights won't be considered until after May.

A statement said: "We are in regular contact with regulators including EASA and the CAA. The entire fleet of aircraft is being maintained in order to give us the ability to restart partially at around 14 days notice. It is likely that different countries and destinations will open up with various restrictions and on different timescales."


Ryanair - currently in dispute over the government's social distancing guidelines - and says flights won't resume until after rules on middle seats are relaxed.

The airline's chief Michael O'Leary said he expects 80% of the carrier’s schedule to resume by September if flights in Europe start again in early July - but only if it is allowed to use all of the seats on its planes.

[loganair] 23/4/2020 22:01

German airline Lufthansa on Thursday warned that it needs a bailout from Germany's government to avoid catastrophe.

Analysts at Berenstein Research said that the airline's statement indicated a need for Germany's government to take quick action. “Right now, it is quite literally state aid or bust."

The Treasury Department said this week that six airlines had accepted assistance from the U.S. government, while others were in talks to do so as well.

[loganair] 23/4/2020 21:56

Stefano Patuanelli, Italian Minister of Economic Development said that the new Alitalia will launch in early June, with 90 aircraft out of 113.

First, there will be a limited number of aircraft due to the low demand around the world. During a few months, up to 40-50 aircraft will be used, sources said to Corriere della Sera, with 30% of the fleet composed with wide-body aircraft for long-haul flights.

The airline will be state-owned.

It is not yet clear whether Alitalia will remain in the SkyTeam alliance or restart within the Star Alliance.

[jailbird] 23/4/2020 20:12

Can you just see this , cabin crew will be walking down the aisles making you not just your seat belts are on but your masks are on too Do you really think planes will be properly disinfected every time It adds to the turnaround if flights too.Bottom line us we need testing , tracing and a vaccine Mad situation all this for airlines .

[loganair] 23/4/2020 20:04

Airports are saying one of the biggest challenges they have is that there are not enough people going through them at the moment to practice how social distancing at airports may work.

This seems to be suggesting when people can start to fly again, it will need to be only a few at first for airports to be able to come up with social distancing plans that work in practice.

[loganair] 23/4/2020 19:51

Lufthansa aims to finalise a state aid rescue package worth up to 10 billion euros ($10.8 billion) next week after the coronavirus crisis forced it to ground almost all of its planes, people close to the matter said.

The package will consist of equity from Germany’s new economic stabilisation fund (ESF), state-guaranteed loans from Germany and debt supplied by Austria, Switzerland and Belgium, where Lufthansa subsidiaries are based, they added.

The equity injection from the ESF - possibly up to 4 billion euros - could initially come as a non-voting form of capital dubbed “silent participation”, two of the sources said, adding that some or all could be converted into shares at a later stage.

Roughly 5 billion euros in loans, 80% guaranteed by German state bank KfW, could be part of the package, they said, adding that Austria, Switzerland and Belgium could contribute a combined 1 billion to 1.5 billion euros.

Lufthansa currently has a market capitalisation of 3.8 billion euros and its shareholders would need to approve any large capital increase.

[loganair] 23/4/2020 18:48

Where I live anyone who passes away has to be tested to see if they have coronavirus and so far 75% of all coronavirus deaths have been in care homes.

If one then includes people who have passed away in hospital who came from care homes in the first place then this figure rises to 81.25%.

Also where I'm the police have been very strict on social distancing with several people being arrested for not adhering to it. The most I know of anybody being fined is £5,000.

The coronavirus is doing what it is supposed to be doing, on the whole ridding the human population of the morbid and infirmed leaving the strong to be productive for the rest.

[m1k3y1] 23/4/2020 18:43

logan......totally unworkable.

[loganair] 23/4/2020 18:33

1. Best thing is to wear face masks as will stop infected people giving the virus to others.

2. No serving of good or drinks onboard so passengers have no reason to remove their masks. OK for Domestic and European flights. As this is where most airlines make their money will mean ticket prices will need to rise by around 50% which will decrease the number of people flying.

Will also mean no need for cabin crew to constantly be walking up and down the aircraft, just once before take-off and once before landing to make sure all passengers are safely strapped in.

3. Then to board an aircraft strictly by rows, starting with the back first so people walking through do not infect passengers in rows closer to the front.

4. Disembark from the first row, then the second row stands up to disembark and so on.

This process will mean boarding and disembarking will be much slower and take longer.

[hamhamham1] 23/4/2020 17:35

I think some kind of enforced mask wearing at least will be required on all public transport till Christmas I think, if not till next April. But obviously that won't happen until there are enough maks to go around for key workers plus public transport users.
If everyone wears a mask on public transport, then the few who have it won't spread it to other passengers so easily. It is the only way forward until vaccine or it disappears dramatically.

[loganair] 23/4/2020 17:11

Mandatory temperature scanning is the way before boarding???

A waste of time and very dangerous as 50% of people with coronavirus are asymptomatic, show no signs of having the virus when they do and are able to infect other people during this time...this is the biggest challenge with cornoavirus compared to other viruses such as SARs or MERs.

[m1k3y1] 23/4/2020 17:08

NPP......I don't think you are allowing for people walking up and down the isles.
I think if you factor this in, it is an impossibility to achieve.

[npp62] 23/4/2020 15:30

As posted previously. On a 297 seat A330-200, if you maintained the 2m social distancing in every direction between all passengers (assuming all pax had to be socially isolated) then you'd only get 38 pax on board. You have to leave 2 seat rows fore and aft of each passenger if you want to maintain 2m. Of course some family groups travel and so it's impossible to predict but that's the bottom line. There's no way they'll go with 2m distancing on an aircraft.

[m1k3y1] 23/4/2020 15:14

Ham.....leaving the middle seat free will not solve the problem of social distancing.
Average seat width is approx 17" - 18"


To say nothing of the front to back distance between rows.

it is a ridiculous suggestion and if imposed UK GOV will end up having to demonstrate that it works and to subsidise the airlines lost revenue.

[loganair] 23/4/2020 15:11

More men are dying from the coronavirus then women, however more women are getting the coronavirus then men.

Most countries around the world are not testing people who pass away in nursing homes or at home for the coronavirus and therefore I believe one can safely double each countries official figures for death from the coronavirus will give a more complete and accurate number.

[hamhamham1] 23/4/2020 14:59

Logan, where's the link to show the largest infected category is women 18-34?
Cheers, interested to see that data., I though.men had it more

[loganair] 23/4/2020 14:45

Where I live, any body who passes away must be tested for the coronavirus and has been found that 74% of all coronavirus deaths are occurring in nursing homes.

Also more woman have been found to have the coronavrius then men and more in the 18 to 34 age group have been found to have the virus then any other age group.