Hargreaves Lansdown Share Discussion Threads

[rodfelix] 21/2/2021 20:02

Hi any advice please. I own 40k of HL stock which has taken a bi recent drop, am I safe holding onto them or should i bail out. down 7%.

[xamf] 19/2/2021 22:55

You’re welcome.

[stockready] 19/2/2021 21:45

XAMF


Thanks mate,

You are right . ..could be he/she (or even it) as i don't know the difference lol as i am not native enough for this stupid dummy arrogant lol

Don't worry he (or it) doesn't get to me

I dealt with his/her/it kinds before lol

Thanks again

[xamf] 19/2/2021 20:49

Stock. There’s no excuse for it but don’t let him/her bother you. He/she’s quite clearly just rude to anyone who has a different viewpoint. It’s not right, very immature and quite sad really.

Hey apparently I’m not native British either - It’s quite funny. Clearly being a ‘true Brit’ now gives us all a genetic competitive advantage!😝🤪.

So you’re in good company mate. Keep up your insightful posts.

[ochs] 19/2/2021 19:45

Sorry to say it Stock, but for me it's currently Porsche1945 1 stockready 0

I personally welcome all views on this thread, it keeps it interesting (and entertaining) - I think we should all be willing to learn from each other and share ideas.

None of us should be telling another poster to 'get lost from this thread'... that's not in the spirit of a free bulletin board surely?

[m_kerr] 19/2/2021 18:49

IMO, a 3.5% bulletproof dividend (including the regular special dividends) that will grow over time, is a hugely valuable income stream. it's not been cheaper on this measure in the last 5 years. if valuation stays static this means almost a 15% total return over the long run. as an indirect comparison, spirax sarco is trading at 50 times earnings, with a 1% dividend yield. as a direct comparison, aj bell trades at 45 times earnings with a roughly 1.5% yield. the reason for this massive disparity in valuation to these very high quality businesses is possibly due to selling pressure expected over time from peter hargreaves. but that should be of no concern to long term investors.

[ochs] 19/2/2021 16:14

Indeed, 7 years ago turnover, profit and dividend were nowhere near where they are today, so on that basis you could argue that it looks cheap (certainly cheap compared to AJ Bell) - and in that period it's been over £24 so a great trade (plus dividends) for those buying 7 years ago and selling after about 5 years.

[imastu pidgitaswell] 19/2/2021 16:01

FRES, POLY, TW., DLAR, COST, GLEN plus around 10 others, including this. Same approach really, except for DLAR - up 400% in 2 days at the start of June, and got in a week before.

All on the respective threads.


The fact that its value has not moved in 7 years despite its financial performance is a reason for buying it, not disregarding it - its growth valuation back then has receded such that it is now relatively cheap (although I know cheaper...)

[porsche1945] 19/2/2021 15:51

Thanks Ochs youre a gent.

[porsche1945] 19/2/2021 15:50

You made 400k last year....what on??

[imastu pidgitaswell] 19/2/2021 15:27

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I swing trade this regularly, and posted so over the past 12 months and more. Not very well compared with others, as I find the 'rhythms' more difficult to predict, but well enough. It has made a significant contribution to the £400k gains made in 2020.

This share is a growing, cash generative, dividend paying, high margin FTSE 100 stock. It is literally the complete opposite to Aston Martin - and indeed Tesla.

There is more than one way to make money on this markets, and swing trading a fairly volatile but solid share like this is as good as any. Buy and sell and make the same profits over and over again. Works for me. And for others.

I could argue the case for and against this as a long term investment, but why be so dismissive of someone taking a perfectly reasonable - but different - view to you?

[xamf] 19/2/2021 15:16

Porsche - I've never been on the Aston Martin thread. Born and bred in the UK and proud to treat people with respect no matter what their experience or country of origin. Have specialized in UK and US stocks for over 30 years and do ok from it. That's all you or anyone needs to know.

Well done though on making £240,000 in just 9 months.

[porsche1945] 19/2/2021 14:56

@xamf

I am invested on a trading basis actually thanks, im making regular fast profits and have been for two years.

Some of you remind me of the deluded idiots on the Aston Martin site, i shorted them from 17.80 to .42. Can check my posts on there from day they were floated, i also (and you can check again) told them all to pile into Tesla and got loads of flak, who’s laughing now? In the last nine months I earned just over 240k on the markets, how have you done stock? Im guessing from your poor/weird english youre not a native, maybe best to understand the pixx poor realities of uk investments before you give advice.

[ochs] 19/2/2021 13:54

In the last few years as Porsche1945 says HL has been an excellent trading stock with a fairly decent range from about £14 (or less) up to about £17-50. It's possible to make money going both long (at the right time) and short (at the right time).

Personally I value his input on this BB and enjoy reading his posts.

[xamf] 19/2/2021 12:59

Porsche. Why do you waste your time on this when you’re not invested?

If you’re someone who likes to trade then I agree it’s not one for a longer term play. However it offers trading opportunities as you say. Messrs Hargreaves and Lansdown only help to create those opportunities.

From a trading point of view it’s positive that their orders are lapped up so readily. Their accounts too show consistent growth over the past 5 years.

[stockready] 19/2/2021 12:07

Porsche

I agree with your comments about the two idiots

However totally disagree with you saying this is going no where!!
On what basis you say that? Dilution has nothing to do with fundamentals and values of the company and how it os performing, those shares always be bought back by big player or institutional investors. I understand you don't want to invest here which is fine but your argument is not sticking at the moment. Come back here in September lets revise this post together and where the share price would be.

None of the fundamentals changed IMHO

This will move with FTSE and i say very strongly indeed

[porsche1945] 19/2/2021 11:59

...added problem you have with these, those two fossils endlessly placing REGULAR very large holdings into the market, basically a constant dilution, would be so much better if they exited to institutions in one go, both of them, and out, that brexit idiot Hargreaves can spend it on his Egypt explorations and that little tax dodging gypo Lansdowne can spend it on more hookers, but this is going nowhere with the regular dilution going on.

[stockready] 19/2/2021 00:24

Kerr
I agree with everything you said apart from the period of 5-10 years wait for profits!!
Not sure what sort of profits you are expecting but from this level this will give you decent profits by this September
People can keep this post and come back to review it
But i am very bulish with this stock and the current drop provide and excellent BUY opportunity which will not be repeated again

None of the fundamentals change here
Just purely baseless speculations base on someone wants to retire and move on.
I am sure the market soon comes to its senses

This is one of the best FTSE stock to invest in with decent profit medium terms 1/2 years not 10 years!!!
Still good profits by this summer I say

GLA

[m_kerr] 18/2/2021 20:06

IMO this is one of the strongest businesses in the ftse. predictable growth due to favourable trends like more reliance on private pensions and stock market growth. the need for critical mass due to downward pressure on fees limits direct competition. strong brand and name recognition. annuity like, low risk revenue streams. a hedge against interest rate rises with the margin made on uninvested cash. sticky customer base. over the long run (5-10 years) i think it's virtually certain you'll see a positive return. it's one of those rare businesses that will predictably grow cash profits over time, whilst being able to return most of it to shareholders along the way. the valuation is not a screaming bargain, but for a business growing at 10% per annum, even through a pandemic, is IMO worthy of a premium valuation.

[porsche1945] 18/2/2021 13:31

@stock.

You are an imbecile.

To reiterate;

It isnt a strong buy at all. HL was at 15.36 22.1.2014. 7 years later it is the same price give or take. Pathetic. But is is a trading stock and thats fine for me.

Quoting anything from that idiot Jes Staley at Barclays is laughable, one of the poorest CEO’s and poorly performing companies in an index full of sxxt CEO’s and awful companies. As Terry Smith says the ftse 100 “ is full of rubbish “, his fund up massively, why, because he invests in the US, A HIGH LIQUIDITY market.

[xamf] 18/2/2021 13:00

Wishful thinking perhaps Lomax? That was my concern yesterday but I took the plunge at 1537. It's certainly a possibility but (having looked at the last 5 years accounts) I've taken the view that (with a rising market) this will rise towards 1640 or so before the next trading update. I'd certainly more than double up if we dropped to those lower levels.

Fib levels around 1430 and 1647. I'm hoping for a rise back to the latter - there's a case for it to go either way at this point.


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[lomax99] 18/2/2021 10:31

Happy to pick up a few more if we get to a c 7% discount to that placing price.

[growthpotential] 18/2/2021 10:14

The institutions getting a discount to market value, that's awesome for them!