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[rose_by_another_name] 02/3/2021 18:42

I've read a lot about the vaccines. Not just
the positive stuff from the promoters. I don't
doubt the value of the vaccines, generally,
but there have been a lot of reactions, some
severe, even possibly a few deaths. On a
statistical basis, they are undoubtedly a
good thing, but I am not a statistically
significant proportion of the population.
I am a single individual.

If I felt at risk from the virus, I would
be more amenable to vaccination, but the
way I live, I am seldom exposed to any
pathogen. I have never accepted a flu shot
either, though they offer every year. I
haven't had flu for as long as I can remember.

[amt] 02/3/2021 18:28

Rose by another name. You need to read about the scientific data behind the vaccine otherwise you wont understand it properly and draw false conclusions. Its much more complicated than you think.
All the evidence suggests that the vaccines being administered in the uk are very safe and very effective. Each day that goes by the evidence gets stronger and stronger.

[alangriffbang] 02/3/2021 18:10

hi zoo, I think france and Germany who carped on about not giving the AZ vaccine to the over 65s should have had it withdrawn to give it to countries that were happy to use it, the audacity of it ,at least the figures are coming down quickly here now and it’s because people have had the vaccine you couldn’t get more proof than that could you,

[rose_by_another_name] 02/3/2021 17:16

More shifting stories. Were they lying
then, or are they lying now? Or maybe not
lying exactly, but just wrong. So wrong
before, but right now?

Maybe they were wrong before, are wrong
now, and will be wrong the next time you
hear from them, too.

Notice the detailed responses to posts
supposedly filtered.

[zooman] 02/3/2021 16:04

This is interesting as the French have now accepted.BBC News - Covid: France approves AstraZeneca vaccine for over-65shttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56242617

[rose_by_another_name] 02/3/2021 15:55

On the other side, the French and German
governments have been claiming that the
vaccine is ineffective for people over 65
years old. In fact Chancellor Merkle turned
down the jab for herself on that allegation.
It's been refuted by other government sources,
like ours, and various medical spokespeople
(like those who told us masks were unnecessary
and we should just wash our hands), but it all
come down to who you believe. If anyone. These
people all have skin in the game and asses to
cover.

[zooman] 02/3/2021 15:41

Tweedle dee and tweedle dum AKA Rose and Phillis. Not sure what came first you two or the song. https://youtu.be/vp7XQxgRrEoAlso some good stuff about the vaccine unless you're in denial about having it. Of course Phillis only has to worry about a computer virus where as Rose is just out of touch with reality. BBC News - Covid vaccines cut risk of serious illness by 80% in over-80shttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56240220

[rose_by_another_name] 02/3/2021 14:54

Maybe he realised that it didn't support
his "public duty" argument.

[phillis] 02/3/2021 14:45

Donkey Brain
Why did you delete the post about vaccination not stopping people getting the virus?

[zooman] 02/3/2021 13:33

UP if it keeps going up a little every day I'll be happy. :-)Zoo

[up just a little bit] 02/3/2021 13:26

mm's keeping the spread very large. Waiting for sells to slowly roll in.

[rose_by_another_name] 02/3/2021 12:58

Originally we were told that it might take
two years to develop a vaccine. That two
or even three have been developed in half
that time is a great achievement, but it
cannot be ignored that they have been
rushed. We have heard anomalous stories
about the testing, with accidental half
doses being retroactively declared to be
more effective than full doses. And
now we are told that the second dose at
12 weeks is more effective than at the 6
weeks that it was originally designed and
tested for. That is clearly driven by the
logistics, not the science.

It is my personal choice to wait for the
rush and fuss to die down. When we know
more about the effectiveness and side
effects (which have not been negligible)
of the various alternatives and perhaps
new alternatives, I may make a different
choice.

[rose_by_another_name] 02/3/2021 12:42

As usual, claims of filtering immediately
followed by a response to the "filtered"
post.

My cancer treatment consisted entirely of
removal of the affected organ. No chemo,
no radiation. I was told that these are
relatively ineffective for treating kidney
cancer, and in any case mine was completely
removed with the kidney. So, no particular
vulnerabilities remaining from my cancer
"treatment". I continue to get periodic
blood tests and scans, and remain clear.

As for the vaccine- the choice is up to you.
If anyone tries to bully you into it, then
they are out of bounds, over the line,
attempting to interfere with your human
rights. For me, the mere fact that there is
a propaganda operation under way, involving
the Queen and Gary Lineker amongst others,
is enough in itself to council caution.
What happened to "my body, my choice"?

Look around. There are credible sources
reporting that significant numbers of health
care professionals are refusing the vaccine.
So are about a third of US military personnel.
Make up your own mind.

[zooman] 02/3/2021 11:39

Alan, haha maybe describes its gender as Androgynous. :-))Zoo

[alangriffbang] 02/3/2021 11:25

zoo, to change the subject I’ve just received my census forms wonder whether rose will fill it in as rose or phillis, ,ha ha ha ,

[zooman] 02/3/2021 11:11

There are people / persons on here who will say things in order to stir things up for example regarding this vaccine that are possibly untrue.I hear first hand from family who are seeing people die due to Covid after having tried everything to preserve that persons life. The mental toll on these medics is enormous as well as for the persons family.They understand that for some its not possible due to medical reasons but just to refuse a vaccine that although does not give total protection buts aims to greatly reduce the symptoms and the need for hospitalisation of people is very wrong. But then again look at the person who is saying thev've refused the vaccine it speaks volumes especially having made claims of having had cancer and the side effects of the treatment which leaves them vulnerable. Unbelievable!This is why said person is now on ignore. Zoo

[rose_by_another_name] 02/3/2021 10:48

When you talk to your health care professional,
ask if you are required to accept vaccination.
You will be told, as I was, that it is your
choice. If it is your right to choose, then that
is absolute. Wittering on about public duty has
nothing to do with it. People will claim that you
have a public duty or moral obligation to do all
sorts of things that they think you ought to do,
but which are not required of a free individual.
It's just societal blackmail.

I see zoo is claiming to filter again, when in
actuality he is just excusing himself from
addressing the issue. He always peeks anyway.
Alan too. Why they think announcing that they
are filtering means anything to anyone, I can't
imagine. If true, it affects no one but themselves,
and we all know from their responses that it isn't
even true.

[arphillips] 02/3/2021 10:37

Amt - Couldn't agree more. I'm trying to book mine now.

[zooman] 02/3/2021 10:26

Amt, very true. Unfortunately we are seeing what people are like.Zoo

[amt] 02/3/2021 10:12

In my view unless someone has a medical reason why they can't take the vaccine they have a public duty to take it. A person who takes the vaccine is less likely to spread the virus and is much less likely to end up in hospital using up limited resources unnecessarily.

[zooman] 02/3/2021 10:11

Filtered..

[rose_by_another_name] 02/3/2021 09:46

"can't have it for medical reasons as against
people who choose not to"

So what is the difference? You are talking about
discrimination based on people's legitimate right
to choose. You're in favour of that?

When I declined the invitation for vaccination
(they phoned me) they explicitly said it was
my right to decide. Now you are saying people
who avail themselves of their rights are to be
discriminated against. Should they wear a yellow
star, so that everyone will know to shun them?
Maybe be made to ring a bell wherever they go?