Flybe Share Discussion Threads

[minerve] 17/2/2019 21:44

"Fancy being locked up in a car with the missus for 8.5 hrs!" Well I guess that all depends on what you are doing! ;)

[buywell3] 17/2/2019 21:28

I personally hope ALL aircraft companies that operate flights within the UK eg southampton to glasgow , cardiff to edinburgh, or belfast to london .... all of them go belly up. Pollution via having burnt jet fuel sprayed and raining down over England's green and pleasant land is not a good idea. Just another example of the tw@ts we have running what we loosely term a government not having a clue about how to look after voters health and welfare. Passengers travelling to main International Airports should do so on an electrified railway system that operates at high speed and is government subsidized if needs be, certainly for retired folks like bus passes. ''Make use of the right type of public transport to reduce pollution'' ... you know it makes sense

[loganair] 17/2/2019 21:10

Loganair has also expressed interest in the Derry, Northern Ireland, to Stansted public service obligation service, as they have an extensive track record as a PSO provider and knowledge of the Derry market. They already operate to Derry from Glasgow. "We are evaluating Flybmi's wider network and assessing routes which align with Loganair's distinct geographical area and overall strategic plans. "We are also working on employment opportunities for pilots, cabin crew and engineering support staff to strengthen the Loganair team."

[whatsup32] 17/2/2019 19:39

:)) Neal diamond , Mahalia Jackson (just a closer walk with thee). Joss Stone,(I put a spell on you, Nina Simone. They helped out

[phillis] 17/2/2019 19:14

Fancy being locked up in a car with the missus for 8.5 hrs!

[loganair] 17/2/2019 18:50

You own two airlines, Loganair and flybmi operating them on their seperate AOCs....Let flybmi go bust with all its debts etc and transfer the profitable flybmi routes over to my other airline Loganair. Loganair have taken over the 3 flybmi routes out of Aberdeen and are also taking over the Newcastle to Brussels and Stavanger routes. The Newcastle routes routes are going to be operated by ERJ145 aircraft. I would think these aircraft maybe ex-flybmi aircraft operating with ex-flybmi crew.

[loganair] 17/2/2019 18:29

Just look at Air Nostrum in Spain, many of their flights are highly subsidised by the various regional governments in Spain and many other filghts they operate on behalf of Iberia.

[whatsup32] 17/2/2019 17:21

10 hrs for £200 , I would too. Mine would have been 3hrs for £400 so not so tempting . It was for short vacation so not time restricted either. Plus I really dislike airports and flying now even if it’s first or business

[mill5ey] 17/2/2019 16:49

Whatsup32 - I regularly prefer to fly to MAN or LBA from SOU because it saves me hours in time. Ok, there's car hire involved but on corporate rates it's very cheap. To save 10hours of my working week I'm quite happy to have the company spend £200.

[minerve] 17/2/2019 15:52

Local businesses tend to keep domestic airlines afloat IMO. The link-up with Virgin may help. I'd like to see how that actually works. Depending on Brexit and tariffs, supply chains and customers _may_ become more domestic based going forward which will be good for Connect, but the failures and consolidation in the industry are a real concern. I am starting to think that Stobart has just inherited more problems that weigh more than the opportunity. :(

[whatsup32] 17/2/2019 14:13

Mrs Whatsup and I just visited Scotland from London for 4 days. If we decided to fly we would have had to drive to City airport , park at airport, arrive Edinburgh rent a car , after 4 days return car fly back, pick up car and home. A casual drive up A1M took us 8.5 hrs, had we flown we could have saved 3 hrs at a cost of £400? Park-tickets and car hire. Plus the hassle of airports. We preferred driving as it worked out cheaper and less hassle. Would imagine others do too, hence why we don’t have a successful domestic airline .

[loganair] 17/2/2019 13:45

Regional jets - other then to make a 'Statement' for the aitline what is the point of flying a regional jet on a route of 1 1/2hrs or less an aircraft that costs as much as double that of a turbo-prop on the same route, is no quicker then a turbo-prop on the same route and carries no more passengers than a turbo-prop.

[loganair] 17/2/2019 12:43

Regional jets I do not think are good for small airlines as are very expensive to run and maintain, OK for mainline airlines such as Swissair or KLM. The 68 seater Be-ATP was an excellent turbo-prop espically on routes of up to 1 1/2hrs, very passenger friendly, very fuel efficient, far better then any regional jet and far better and far more surperior aircraft then either the ATR 42/72 or Dash 8s. I remember on routes of up to an hour the Bae-ATP was as quick as any regional jet or even the A320 or B737 types of aircraft. At one time Bae where going to make a smaller version J51, carrying around 50 passengers, renamed the ATP to J61 and also the J71 and 80 seater aircraft was on the drawing board. All 3 aircraft could have been flown under a joint rating by the same pilot. Bae were going to have the J31 all the way up to the J71 for the regional airlines.

[montyhedge] 17/2/2019 10:15

flybmi blaming everything apart from management, IAG record revenue, now even more business for others.

[loganair] 17/2/2019 09:49

Flybe do not fly passengers around for tuppence ha'penny - they are one of the most expensive arilines to fly on. One can tell an an industry has had it, for example seeing on the side of aircraft "anyone can fly" Once anyone can do something means the prices are going to drop to rock bottom to allow the lowest common denominator to be able to do what ever it is. Flying, Banking, Supermarkets have all dropped down to the lowest common denominator.

[volsung] 17/2/2019 09:24

Good. Flying should be a luxury. I look forward to higher prices on all routes

[bookbroker] 17/2/2019 08:17

All the demise/takeover of Flybe will create is higher prices for passengers, it is just not economic to fly people around the domestic route for tuppence ha’penny, as for BMI., I am staggered it has survived this long on so few passengers, could have carried those half million on five planes allowing even for maintenance!

[buywell3] 17/2/2019 00:45

Well May wants us to stay in the EU So who knows , like you said they are useless self serving b@stards As politicians always have been since the days of Cicero and indeed the Greeks first dreamed up the con.

[europa79] 17/2/2019 00:38

Would the Government (useless though they are) have just let FLYBE go into administration?

[mill5ey] 16/2/2019 22:22

interesting tweet from Flybe in the aftermath of the FlyBMI collapse... nothing to do with us, mate...

[loganair] 16/2/2019 21:38

Flybe could easily have done a Flybmi and collapsed in days if it hadn't been taken over by Connect Airways. I think the only difference is Flybe have 1/3rd of the domestic UK market, so in a way had too big a market share to be allowed to fail and why I think the take over and sale of Flybe's assets were pushed through quickly to stop Flybe from collapsing.

[buywell3] 16/2/2019 20:45

Loganair operates craft under franchise to Flybe in mainland Scotland, as well as Orkney, Shetland, and the Western Isles. From October 2014 it has been operating a Dublin -Inverness route as part of the Flybe franchise. Change Operations as Flybe franchisee In June 2005, Loganair was awarded a contract from the Irish Government to operate a daily return service from Knock, County Mayo to Dublin. This public service obligation (PSO) route operated for a period of three years as British Airways, with effect from 22 July 2005. The operation ceased in July 2008, the contract having been lost to Aer Arann. The airline also bought routes from Citiexpress in March 2004.[7] It flew BA's British Aerospace ATPs on these routes until May 2005, when further Saab 340 aircraft were purchased to replace them.[citation needed] Until October 2008 Loganair was a British Airways franchisee, operating flights sold through BA using BA flight codes. Loganair's inter-island operations between the Orkney and Shetland Islands carried out using Britten-Norman Islanders was removed from the franchise agreement in 2004. The flights have since been marketed under Loganair's own name, rather than British Airways'. Loganair became a franchise airline of Flybe, operating in the Flybe colours.[15][16] Flights are also operated under a codeshare agreement with British Airways connecting flights from Scotland to London. The franchise has been criticised by residents in the Scottish islands for what they perceive to be excessively high fares,[17][18] and a Facebook campaign set up in June 2015 to highlight the issue attracted over 7400 "likes" over the course of its first weekend.[19] On 8 July 2011, it was announced that Loganair had agreed to purchase Cambridge based ScotAirways. ScotAirways continued to trade as a separate entity (using its original name of Suckling Airways) and holding its own licences and approvals until April 2013.[20][21] In anticipation of the end of operations on behalf of Flybe, in April 2017 Loganair unveiled its independent corporate livery on this Saab 340 at Manchester Airport. Services to Belfast and to Birmingham from Dundee ended on 2 December 2012.[22] After CityJet had terminated its services between Dundee and London City Airport in January 2014, Loganair took over the route, operating from Dundee to London Stansted Airport, with the support of a PSO agreement.[23] In May 2015 two Viking Air DHC-6-400 Twin Otter aircraft were acquired by Highlands and Islands Airports to be operated by Loganair on the Scottish Government's Public Service Obligation routes between Glasgow and Campbeltown, Tiree and Barra.[24] In August 2015 the airline became part of a new regional airline group, Airline Investments Limited (AIL),[25] along with East Midlands-based airline bmi regional[26] On 21 November 2016, Flybe and Loganair announced that their franchise agreement would terminate on 31 August 2017. Despite headlines, it is unclear who initiated the termination.[27] Loganair later relaunched its website without renewed interline agreements with Flybe or Aer Lingus.[28] In April 2017, pending the termination of the Flybe franchise agreement, Loganair unveiled its new independent corporate livery on Saab 340B Freighter G-LGNN. From 1 September the airline began operating "in its own right" for the first time in 24 years.[29] Loganair signed a codeshare agreement with British Airways (BA), effective from 1 September 2017 (coinciding with the launch of independent operations), allowing passengers to book through flights onto BA's global network.[30][31]

[loganair] 16/2/2019 20:44

We regret to inform customers that today, 16th February 2019, bmi Regional, a Loganair codeshare partner, has ceased operations with immediate effect. At this time we can confirm the following: Customers travelling on bmi Regional operated routes booked via Loganair.co.uk or who are on Loganair tickets Any customer that has booked via our website or an agent on a Loganair ticket on the following routes will be contacted by Loganair as soon as possible with further information and advice. Aberdeen-Bristol Aberdeen-Oslo Aberdeen-Esbjerg Customers travelling on Loganair operated flights who have booked with bmi Regional Any customers that have booked via flybmi.com to travel on a Loganair operated routes are unaffected and can continue to check in at Loganair.co.uk or at a Loganair desk at their departure airport. No new bookings will be accepted at flybmi.com for Loganair operated flights.

[buywell3] 16/2/2019 20:39

Airline Investments Limited own Flybmi Airline Investments Ltd operates as a regional airline. It is made up of airline brands flybmi and Loganair. hTTps://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08151808 Accounts overdue Next accounts made up to 31 March 2018 due by 31 December 2018 Last accounts made up to 31 March 2017