Flowgroup Plc Share Discussion Threads

[123qwer] 07/2/2015 14:08

123qwer 6 Feb'15 - 20:37 - 2383 of 2396 0 1 edit


123qwer 6 Feb'15 - 19:21 - 2371 of 2382 0 1 edit

Ok, I give you the following to digest and I hope you don't try and take the p out of me again.

The positives: 1: Boiler is on the market.

The uncertainties: 1:Boiler reliability.
2:FIT may be altered any-time.
3:The competition, BG back in the market and others wont sit on their hands if CHP boilers take off which I doubt, not at these prices they won't.

The Negatives:

1:Cost of boiler, conservative comparison, 300% dearer than combi boilers.
2: No instant hot water, a big no, no for the mass market.
3: Warranty 2yrs as opposed to the almost industry norm of 5 to 10yrs.
4: Installation costs approx 350% higher.
5: To produce electric boiler has to run ie heating, south of uk, boilers run about 4 to 4:5 months of the year, usually hour before work and 4 hours after work.
6: Size, looks a bit ugly and big and wont fit most kitchen cabinets, ie like most people with modern kitchens have it tucked away in kitchen cupboard.
7:Brand not well known.
8: Price reduction per unit will have to be substantial to compete against combis cant see it happening.
9: Most homes of 2/3 bedrooms where family go out to work will find it thousands cheaper to have a replacement like for like combi bolier with the on tap hot water for about 1200 quid as opposed to the 3675 for boiler and approx 1800 for installation equates to 5475 A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE OF 4275 - YES 4275 QUID


I REST MY CASE AND HOPING TO BUY CLOSE TO 20P for a very long term punt (One of the better AIM companies imo)

(Final negative in this post, the Flow Combi bolier predicted 18 to 24 months - if it happens, appearance, size and capacity/output matters, reaibility matters, price matters, warranty matters and may needs loads of money for development and there could be delays, so money may need to be raised)

Enjoy the weekend - I am your friend and as yet hold no position in Flowgroup

(NB: The above is in my judgement based on what I read, see and hear, then digest in my educated brain, then able to share my knowledge with others. If you lack capacity to make your own judgements I'd strongly recommend you consult a financial expert re the stock you have an interest in.)

© 123qwer, 2015

[123qwer] 07/2/2015 12:21

Larry - lol, that the best share holder can do - post 2391

Cyberhub, hoepful ways, if that is true re 'Griffiths' then that supports my soutward prognosis od this SP

Malcolmm - if you have thanks, otherwise let me know and I will post my excellent post that will support my anyalsis of the situation and trend south re SP

I will cut and paste again later today and tomorrow re my fantastic post that should open the eyes of the smaller investors

ATB and GLA

[hopefulalways] 07/2/2015 10:12

I also think that Mr Griffiths has continued to sell his shares which has lasted since October. I think that if he has finished the share will move steadily north!

[cyberbub] 07/2/2015 09:10

I have a sneaking feeling that Griffiths may have sold his last lot yesterday... doesn't have to notify of course...

[malcolmmm] 06/2/2015 23:23

123, I have emailed Flowgroup for them to take a look at your postings.Perhaps they will reassure you on your misguided analysis on their companies product and prospects

[larry335] 06/2/2015 23:15

123qwer
I think this covers all your points:

1:Cost of boiler. Conservative comparison, 300% dearer than combi boilers.
Positive: People like to pay more for things e.g. Iphone is 600% dearer than other SMART phones but Apple made biggest profits.
2: No instant hot water.
Positive: People like to wait and have a brew and chat while the water heats up. Anyway, many people I know take cold showers.
3: Warranty 2yrs.
Positive: My boiler has never broken down.
4: Installation costs approx 350% higher.
Positive: People feel they are getting more when they pay more.
5: To produce electric boiler has to run ie heating, south of uk, boilers run about 4 to 4:5 months of the year, usually hour before work and 4 hours after work.
Positive: In Scotland boilers are on 24-7, for 9 months of the year.
6: Size, looks a bit ugly and big and won't fit most kitchen cabinets.
Positive: Great chance to renovate the kitchen or decorate the boiler with fridge magnets.
7:Brand not well known.
Positive: Most people I know buy brands they never heard of before.
8: Price reduction per unit will have to be substantial to compete against combis cant see it happening.
Positive: Nobody I know likes combis. All my friends have system boilers.
9: Most homes of 2/3 bedrooms where family go out to work will find it thousands cheaper to have a replacement like for like combi boiler with the on tap hot water for about 1200 quid as opposed to the 3675 for boiler and approx 1800 for installation equates to 5475 A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE OF 4275 - YES 4275 QUID.
Positive: Lots of people I know stay home with the heating on all day and like spending money on latest gadgets and new tech.

[grandwood] 06/2/2015 22:32

123 - "...I will cut and paste every so often in oder[sic] to ensure all investors inc potential investors can read my contribution..."

Wow! That's a pretty arrogant and self - important stance, especially in view of the evidence before you; i.e. most others on here who expressed a preference have asked you to cease and disist, including me.

BTW, i am guessing ADVFN own the copyright to anything posted here.

[hpcg] 06/2/2015 21:52

Don't go 123 - tell us more. Don't rest. I might choose to disagree with you at 03:00 tomorrow. You don't want to miss that.

[123qwer] 06/2/2015 21:03

I was thinking about that when i first read the post, may just do that - really need to sign off as worn out and trying to relax. You too have a good weekend and enjoy your drink and w/e - thankfully mine is a long one

For what it's worth, you're a decent bloke/poster
ATB

[uppompeii] 06/2/2015 20:59

Finally, have a good weekend 123, may I suggest that you send your post to Flow or their Investor Relations chap? See what the answers are from the horses mouth?
Lets face it they are probably most qualified and probably know exactly how long I have my boiler on....


ps I wouldn't say I backed down, its more like me agreeing that there's no point arguing about why cats bark.

[123qwer] 06/2/2015 20:57

UP

I disagree with your points and IMO, my pot is very good nd will open manys eyes here ie post number 2383.

However, full credit to you for being honest and backing down re your comments about my post. That takes a big man to do that in my books.

I'm having a tipple 25 yr old malt whiskey, so signing off soon.

I predicted Igas shares demise and posters were abusing me. Flowgroup imo is one of the better AIM stocks and nothing like Igas - therefore I will invest may be at/about 20p

ATB

[uppompeii] 06/2/2015 20:45

I think Larry and a few others covered the points off over the last few days.

[uppompeii] 06/2/2015 20:44

123 your negatives are mostly trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, so ok I concede "factually incorrect" may be harsh but that's because your comments are applying points to a market and households that Flow are not trying to target. So they can be neither right nor wrong, just misapplied.

It's a bit like me going to a car dealer and asking to buy a motorbike.

Anyway, I respect your points of view and enjoy the debate.

[123qwer] 06/2/2015 20:37

HERE UPOMPEII - TELL ME WHICH PARTS ARE "factually incorrect" and i will correct them whn u have pointed it our with evidence
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the post u refer to.



123qwer 6 Feb'15 - 19:21 - 2371 of 2382 0 1 edit

Ok, I give you the following to digest and I hope you don't try and take the p out of me again.

The positives: 1: Boiler is on the market.

The uncertainties: 1:Boiler reliability.
2:FIT may be altered any-time.
3:The competition, BG back in the market and others wont sit on their hands if CHP boilers take off which I doubt, not at these prices they won't.

The Negatives:

1:Cost of boiler, conservative comparison, 300% dearer than combi boilers.
2: No instant hot water, a big no, no for the mass market.
3: Warranty 2yrs as opposed to the almost industry norm of 5 to 10yrs.
4: Installation costs approx 350% higher.
5: To produce electric boiler has to run ie heating, south of uk, boilers run about 4 to 4:5 months of the year, usually hour before work and 4 hours after work.
6: Size, looks a bit ugly and big and wont fit most kitchen cabinets, ie like most people with modern kitchens have it tucked away in kitchen cupboard.
7:Brand not well known.
8: Price reduction per unit will have to be substantial to compete against combis cant see it happening.
9: Most homes of 2/3 bedrooms where family go out to work will find it thousands cheaper to have a replacement like for like combi bolier with the on tap hot water for about 1200 quid as opposed to the 3675 for boiler and approx 1800 for installation equates to 5475 A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE OF 4275 - YES 4275 QUID


I REST MY CASE AND HOPING TO BUY CLOSE TO 20P for a very long term punt (One of the better AIM companies imo)

(Final negative in this post, the Flow Combi bolier predicted 18 to 24 months - if it happens, appearance, size and capacity/output matters, reaibility matters, price matters, warranty matters and may needs loads of money for development and there could be delays, so money may need to be raised)

Enjoy the weekend - I am your friend and as yet hold no position in Flowgroup

(NB: The above is in my judgement based on what I read, see and hear, then digest in my educated brain, then able to share my knowledge with others. If you lack capacity to make your own judgements I'd strongly recommend you consult a financial expert re the stock you have an interest in.)

© 123qwer, 2015

[supernumerary] 06/2/2015 20:27

Or should that be "OH YES HE CAN!!!"?

[supernumerary] 06/2/2015 20:26

Oh yes he can!

[123qwer] 06/2/2015 20:17

UP - YOU HAVE MY CONSENT TO QUOTE THE BITS OF MY POST NUMBER 2379 THAT YOU SEE AS

"factually incorrect." YOU CANT RUN AWAY OR HIDE FROM THIS QUESTION.

[uppompeii] 06/2/2015 20:11

Its all been covered 123 over the past few days and besides I'm worried about breaching your copyright by quoting your post especially as I'm just cracking a Domaine Hubert de Montille Pommard 2003

[123qwer] 06/2/2015 20:06

UP, what is "factually incorrect." in my post you ref to???

[uppompeii] 06/2/2015 20:01

123 - a lot of it is factually incorrect, which has been covered previously by other posters so no need rehashing. I shall just point that out when you periodically repost, for balance of course.
I wish you well, but you seem unable to alter your very sketchy knowledge when presented with what Flow are actually trying to do and who they are trying to target.

[123qwer] 06/2/2015 19:56

UP - the post you refer to - if I may say so, a concise post that gives the pro's and cons of this boiler and hopefully it will be easy reading for the masses and I will cut and paste every so often in oder to ensure all investors inc potential investors can read my contribution and hopefully make a more informed decsion, or tell me if I'm wrong and why so.

If share price shots up, which I doubt, ATB. If it falls, hope its a temp thing and you guys recover your money

DYOR

[uppompeii] 06/2/2015 19:46

123 - you've just rehashed all the points that were either agreed with or rebutted with evidence or agreed to disagree with.
With all due respect to your educated brain, I fear it is having trouble doing something pretty fundamental in the learning process. I hope you're not an analyst or peer reviewer!

[123qwer] 06/2/2015 19:33

ATTENTION:

My previous post here has been copyrighted and you will need my consent to sharw with other sites/media/etc

[larry335] 06/2/2015 19:30

123qwer
I'm not even going to ignore that...