Flowgroup Plc Share Discussion Threads

[fangorn2] 12/2/2015 19:07

"Bear in mind Fangorn anything that's new and innovative when it first comes to market usually if not always comes down in price as more are produced""


Absolutely.

Just an observation from a bystander.

Neither long nor short. Came close to buying several times but cant see how, initially, the numbers add up.

Great idea though.

Have them ,and Entu , watchlist ..:)

[1fox1] 12/2/2015 18:55

hxxp://www.flowenergy.uk.com/blog/#.VNz29_msX_E


Bear in mind Fangorn anything that's new and innovative when it first comes to market usually if not always comes down in price has more are produced. Like Paul Scott says. You can always sit on the sidelines and keep an eye on Entu. If they start knocking them out for fun jump in quick. Good luck

[fangorn2] 12/2/2015 18:46

"Non combi boiler, supply and fit 1200 squid - DIFFERENCE of 4200 pounds sterling, real money

For 4200 you can treat yourself/family to a nice, big treat"


Only downside in your comment is the fact that most of that £4200 is funny money - it's paid off via a loan......which is offset against the contribution your boiler makes into the system such that you dont actually end up payin for it in the long run. But if it doesnt work out, you're left with a Loan to service effectively as far as I can see.

Personally still looks expensive to me.

£1800 to fit a boiler - and then a loan, several years to pay off via the contributions your boiler makes into the system..

Rather be a shareholder than an actual flow boiler customer that's for sure.

[1fox1] 12/2/2015 18:38

Fellas you are going round the houses with this poster. Most if not all of his/her queries have been answered on several occasions. The points above I'm quite sure were made recently. I'm also quite sure these concerns were addressed. DYOR. Cheers

[123qwer] 12/2/2015 18:30

Dear PeterD55

I will take your comments at face value re 400k non combi boilers sold in the uk per year.

I reiterate - Flow boiler just under 3800 squid. Fitting 1800 squids approx = total approxies = 5600

Non combi boiler, supply and fit 1200 squid - DIFFERENCE of 4200 pounds sterling, real money

For 4200 you can treat yourself/family to a nice, big treat

So do you pay 5600 and hope gov keeps FIT, Flow dont go belly up and top up your 2 yrs free ins OR SAVE 4200 quid, and still have boiler with a 5/7 yr warranty

I rest my case.

[staverly] 12/2/2015 18:20

Cyberbub: admittedly, he does sail extremely close to wind, but I don't have a problem with reasoned negative comments, so long as they are not endlessly repeated.

His suggestion that 20k units in 2015 was meaningless IMO deserved a response. It's worth noting that Jabil are set up to produce around 75,000 units per annum but Flow want to execute this right, from the get-go. Even so, 20k units is still mighty impressive given this is a high ticket item and innovative technology.

[peterd55] 12/2/2015 18:11

123: you constantly refer to people wanting instant hot water which I assume you take to mean they will only want a combi boiler. From this it means Flow will struggle to sell. Why do you suppose 400,000 system (not combi) boilers are sold in this country every year? That is Flow's target market for their boiler. They are not trying to compete with combis.

[cyberbub] 12/2/2015 18:07

Staverley, surely you have enough experience not to engage the trolls? Or are you toying with him :-)

[123qwer] 12/2/2015 17:41

Hello freind


Welcome back." Never really been away dear friend
post a link to the 1k boilers you ref to and I will respond within 72 hrs.

I'll ask you a question - why is the share price heading south if it is such a real deal as 99% here, like most postive threads feel?

If share price really about to rocket, why are Bod 'filling their boot'?? I used to ask the same question on the Igas threads as their share price crashed from 168p - the answers were pure BS - just look at their SP


Fair enough Igas is pure BS hype imo and Flow has a real product in the market -hence my interest to make a killing but as yet I'm not convinced

ATB my dear friend

[staverly] 12/2/2015 17:33

Welcome back 123 ... so tell me:

If current/previous MCHp offerings (Whispergen & Ecogen) haven't collectively managed to sell anywhere near 1000 (one thousand)units in UK since respective launches - don't forget Baxi had the additional muscle of BG partnership - why then do you consider Flow selling nearly x40 that number of units in under a quarter of that time scale so derisory?

[123qwer] 12/2/2015 16:59

I will put in a limit price of 20-25p next week - Cant see it drop to my predicted price tomorrow so no limit and anyway, I'd want to reassess.

There will be a blip imo when predicted sales target of 20k boiler is seen as on track or better - IMO, easily acheviable as people were hearing about a long time ago. The worrying factor remain sales over the summer months and next winter and the competition and the majority of people want instant hot water.

ATB to most here

[1fox1] 12/2/2015 14:24

No give me heads up first Ha ha ha :o) Sorry L

[larry335] 12/2/2015 14:10

Hey, Fruitninja...please give us a heads up when you are buying :-)

[fruitninja84] 12/2/2015 13:38

Market makers, WNTS CKNS ect, when there is 5 on the buy side of the book all sitting at say 33.5p that means a lot of selling will still not move the price as the EMS is 10000 it will take 50000 gone to move down to the next level eg 33.25p and vice vers, it's not a good sign when it's the other way round coz lots of buying won't budge it , but a small seller will, I try buy when the market makers are buying but all in theory and can be manipulated ect ect ,

[rufio90210] 12/2/2015 13:06

What do you mean by 5 against 1 on the bid ?

[larry335] 12/2/2015 12:57

Thanks for the info.

[fruitninja84] 12/2/2015 12:50

Impossible to say, but I wouldn't dip in right now, I wait till it's 5 against 1 on the bid after a big move and when I can see buyers coming in, I did this when it hit 29p I could see the turn coming a mile off, if it tests this level again I will be watching and waiting, doing this does not guarantee a good trade but it stacks the odds hugely in your favour if you know what I mean? It's those 10000k trades that's moving the price, and causing the momentum, and selling into strength so still heading down imo but seemed to stop at 30p . All imo

[larry335] 12/2/2015 12:24

Fruitninja
So (for those without l2), what is the next buy price?

[fruitninja84] 12/2/2015 10:56

Agree fox1 But it makes it dead easy to trade using l2 imo easy to call a move as the MM start backing up either side of the book depending on where it's going well before hand ...

[1fox1] 12/2/2015 10:25

Share price down 5.5% on a turnover of roughly £120,000 worth of shares. Says it all really.

[jsegura60] 12/2/2015 10:19

Thought I'd call flow re comment from poster that boiler only suitable for 4 bed homes and above and turns out that's not the case ?

[123qwer] 11/2/2015 17:38

Mace my friend.
I monitor, study SP's. I'm entitled to post my views.
Look at like this, if ANY share price was producing as much goods as the majority of posters were ranting on any bulletin board, they would not bother about comments like mine. The fact is that my comments are informative, interesting and factual.

If I was invested in a SP, this or another, I'd be glad to hear the other side.

I am fed up with the rampers/idiots/fools that only look at the positives.

All shares can go up as well as down and this is what many small holders forget.

I am going to change my user name and will make a formal announcement later today.

ATB DYOR, GL