Flowgroup Plc Share Discussion Threads

[1fox1] 09/2/2015 18:39

I say ouch pompy cause my mate lost £120,000 He followed that up by losing £100,000 on Marconi He also lost bombs on various other speculative shares. Needless to say he doesn't like investing now. Funnily enough my biggest loss was not a technology company but a boring old aerospace company. By the way my mate has put it all behind him and gone on to make a fortune in land development and salvage.

[123qwer] 09/2/2015 18:30

Zho - what "164'"?? I recall biling out after the shares went to pennies and did look up a few months back and as far as i can see it went belly up.

[123qwer] 09/2/2015 18:27

UP
Cheers for that, I've never liked the bloke as IMO he was not as open re the sell and of course he would disagree and he is entitled to that- but his views appear to mirror mine and my post was here first, lol

Anyway, GL and I hope you make big bucks.

[zho] 09/2/2015 18:27

>>I was around when Paul Scott was buying his first shares in Medisys>>

I bought some of the warrants at 3p which gave the right to buy shares at 15p. I think MDY peaked at about 164p so that investment was almost a 50 bagger.

Sigh. Happy memories.

[uppompeii] 09/2/2015 18:19

1fox1 - I did well on MDY, from memory about a 7 bagger, originally heard about it from Ric Wilson before the "fillyaboots" website days. Not sure what happened to the old retractable needle dream but sounds like it went sour!

Old Pauly has become a little less adventurous these days I think.

[1fox1] 09/2/2015 18:12

Pompy... re MDY Ouch!! I think Paul Scott in the main tries to give a balanced view with his various reports. With Flow his opinion is to err to the side of caution. He states he prefers to sit it out for a while and wait to see how sales go. The problem with this strategy is if everything goes to plan he may miss a substantial rise in the share price. Of course there is a risk. Nothing is a sure fire thing. Paul Scott will be the first to admit he has often missed out on various companies. Also he will have invested in other companies and lost a packet. That's the nature of the beast. I believe along with a lot of others on this board Flow will be a big success. As for our friend 123 who as recently joined us. We have all got your message loud and clear. You have posted opinions on other boards that have turned out to be both stupid and wrong. TSCO and SAGA to name just two. I don't know if you're lonely or just looking for company but your constant same message is boring the pants off us all.

[uppompeii] 09/2/2015 17:56

thats him....cut his teeth in the mid late 90's

[123qwer] 09/2/2015 17:50

UP.
I've not invested in direct shares for a long time aka many years until mid last yr - making money and every co i've gone into so far come out with a profit, skil and a bit of luck.

This bloke paul, not aka paulypilot or something like that?

[uppompeii] 09/2/2015 17:42

123 - I was around when Paul Scott was buying his first shares in Medisys, as I may have had some influence on him I find it best to ignore anything he writes!
Inspirit are no competition, they, like combis and small houses, are in a different market.

[123qwer] 09/2/2015 17:34

Today - for PM readers just in case you thinks I'm making up my concerns - even share pudits are now agreeing with me

Flowgroup (LON:FLOW)
Share price: 34.4p
No. shares: 239.5m
Market Cap: £82.4m

Launch marketing - today's RNS gives information about the marketing campaign for the launch of the company's new type of domestic boiler. It generates electricity, as well as conventional heating of radiators. This electricity is fed back into the grid, and the feed in tariff is used to finance the capital cost of the boiler.

My opinion - the installation cost (over and above the price of the boiler itself) seems rather high, and looks to be not far off the cost of a conventional boiler (fitted). So I'm not convinced that the economics of this product are sufficiently compelling to drive rapid adoption.

It sounds intriguing, but I've decided to sit this one out, on the sidelines, and wait for clearer evidence as to whether this new type of boiler is being adopted by customers in sufficient volume to make the shares attractive at the fairly hefty market cap of £82.4m.

It's very difficult to dislodge tried & tested conventional technology with something new, so I would need to see firmer evidence of commercial success before wanting to risk my money again on this share.

- See more at: hxxp://www.stockopedia.com/content/small-cap-value-report-9-feb-2015-qrt-flow-hss-pla-acl-hdd-91707/#sthash.eiUAApOJ.59OLTUeU.dpuf

[123qwer] 09/2/2015 17:27

competition nevertheless, and never mind BG
Inspirit RNS did you read it?

Did you read the article today by the share pundit Paul and why he would not buy at this stage - his write up was like mine a bit but mine was more detailed.

Anyway UP - GL mate to you - if i get in at 24, then hope for a bounce - never wrong to take profits imo.

DYOR

[uppompeii] 09/2/2015 17:18

Inspirit ? I have shares but briefly its a different, older, noisier much larger tech suited to say nursing homes, offices etc, not a competitor for Flow.
123 you aren't doing yourself any favours.
Next.

[1fox1] 09/2/2015 17:16

I think an award is in order....

[larry335] 09/2/2015 17:11

123qwer
Yeah, I'm sure no-one invested here had heard of Inspirit Energy before you opened their eyes.
Gee, thanks.

Why don't you go and research Baxi Ecogen and Innotech, Whispergen, Ceres Power, Ceramic Fuel cells (Bluegen) etc. etc.?
That should keep you busy for a while.

[1fox1] 09/2/2015 17:11

123 Why don't you print your well documented research article again. Just in case I missed something

[nw99] 09/2/2015 16:13

Just added another slug

[larry335] 09/2/2015 16:03

hpcg
"business is unproven". Yes, and when the market cap was £110m + (trading on losses)not really surprising that as the moment of truth approached many punters de-risked in the 40's causing the share price to slide...triggering stop losses.
I'm still confident long term but I sold some in the 40's to ensure I can't lose until sub 20p. I'm sure many others did the same.

[hpcg] 09/2/2015 15:53

Nothing wrong with what Paul Scott wrote other than missing the long term money saved. This is no different to people voluntarily replacing existing windows with uPVC even if the existing windows are working as originally designed. He is quite correct to say, as have many on here, that the business is unproven. Current shareholders are estimating that Flow will be a success. Those on the sidelines will want some demonstration of that before committing, and will accept lower but safer gains.

If the share gets to 100p it is a buy, if it gets to 20p its a sell.

[steved] 09/2/2015 15:46

I agree with Larry and Staverly in that I'm confident that Flow's proposition will attract plenty of buyers and the concept and package is very compelling. That said any new product will take time to catch on. It's all been mentioned before but to me the critical issue is that installations are successful and the boiler is reliable and fulfils expectations. I'm reassured by the quality of Flow's management who are well aware of the importance of this so a slow build up in volumes is very prudent. If all goes well, confidence will grow and sales should expand accordingly. As Larry has said, in the meantime targets for this year should be easily attainable based on the projected size of UK market for Flow's initial boiler.

[larry335] 09/2/2015 15:39

Vaillant combi
I had one fitted 18months ago. Quote from British Gas was £3100 (sale price).
I got it done for £2200 (including magnetic filter) by a local gas fitter. It has a 7 year guarantee as long as it is serviced annually. My gas fitter charges £65 for servicing.

[larry335] 09/2/2015 15:24

123qwer
But clearly the Flow boiler target demographic will absolutely not qualify for a free boiler via the ECO initiative. So the link is irrelevant.
This has been discussed on here and other BB's months ago.

[staverly] 09/2/2015 15:22

123 .. Just as you and >99% of all investors, I don't have clue why the share price moves from day to day, even week to week. Very occasionally there is a definitive reason put into the public domain but that was never the case here. The RNS release merely is a corporate governance formality.

Thank you for telling us that you have recently moved your limit buy to 25p from 20p. But there is no need to use the same questionable material to repetitively de-ramp; an unedifying spectacle presumably executed to sate your frustration at the risk of "missing the boat". You may well be proved right in the short term so best keep schtum in the meanwhile and then you can publicly savour your success, if you must. Besides, you could celebrate and buy a new keyboard.