Flowgroup Plc Share Discussion Threads

[uppompeii] 22/2/2015 14:05

I've slept very well so far this weekend and I expect to tonight also.

[fox you] 22/2/2015 12:40

Is Stiffs statement fundamentally flawed? You decide.

Quote:
Homeowners fitting the Band A boiler are promised savings of up to £80 a month on energy bills, with the technology also attracting feed-in tariff payments for power generation used in their houses and the roughly 10 per cent of electricity exported to the grid. "If you put out a million units that would be a sizeable, dirty power station that you would not need on the grid," Stiff adds.
Of course, the boiler only generates electricity when the heating is on and has no ability to store electricity. But Stiff says households use most power when the heating is on, primarily in the evenings when dinner is in the oven, clothes are being washed, and the TV is on. - End Quote
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So "UP TO 80 pounds a months," and "households use most power hwen heating is on."

Well, trust me, in June/july and August, I can ever recall having the "heating" on and that is a simple fact. Even today, no heating as yet as sun is still just about out an home is south facting with glass walls and very hot.


Anyway, all I am trying to do is open your eyes to both sides of the coins.
So why April installations and when in April?
"up to 80 pounds a month," based on every moneth and is it a the new lower eltric rate?
Boiler uses more power than a standard, how much more power does it use?

Having completed more research today, I will watch for a possible 20p join in maybe.

ATB Dyor

Fox You

[fox you] 22/2/2015 10:54

From fLOWGROUP newsletter

Quote: "Generally, the customers our teams have spoken to expect a standard boiler and installation to cost over GBP3,000. " Are they joking?

full link:


Well - just Google combi boiler, supply and fit and for well under that price and as low as 1200 or better and avg of 1600 - you could pay more of course, supply, fit a good boiler with a free 5/7 and up to 10 yr warranty.





"3000" quid - lol. Even in London, one of my family like me is a landlord and he has several properties, a few months ago he needed a boiler replaced at property, goy a Valiant, 3 bed house, 7 year warranty, replace old boiler, supply, fit. commison and free warranty, 1200 quid plus VAT = 1440 - if it was cash in hand would have been 1100 but he is like me by the book person - so the 3k - not sure if people dont look at the net - everyone i know never pays British Gas prices, sure some do but most go to private, fully registered companies and get for abour 1200 to 1800 all in

ATB DYOR

Fox You

[fox you] 22/2/2015 10:26

Macolmmm, you state, "why don't you ask yourself."!

But you said friend that you had contacted them - as I'm guessing you are a shareholder, they would have responded.

ATB DYOR

FOX YOU

[larry335] 22/2/2015 09:59

BTW
While oil fired central heating is common in Germany, it is not commonly off a combi. Oil fired combis are typically not as good as gas combis.
In the product road map it suggests only the system boiler (water tanks) will be sold in Germany (and also initially France with combi later).

[larry335] 22/2/2015 09:42

Oil fired will most likely be for the German market at least...

Regarding European/US partners: I suspect testing and some sort of agreements have already been made. Otherwise, why outline in the Roadmap, timelines for joint development work to be done for EU and US market?
Possibly these partners also wanted to invest in the company...but not at 40p+ a share...?
I don't know what the share price will drop to, but when it gets there, we might possibly expect a series of good news RNS's similar to last year which boosted the share price from 25p to 48p over the space of 4 months.
DYOR

[malcolmmm] 22/2/2015 09:33

Fox you, why don't you ask them yourself? especially as you say you are going to invest at some point? Its easy to speak to the technical department who I am sure will resolve your stated concerns.

[malcolmmm] 22/2/2015 09:27

I am out of these for the moment ready to jump back in though. I spoke to a man at Flowgroup who told me that oil run flow boilers are in the pipeline.

[larry335] 21/2/2015 19:29

TradeYodha
The bearish indicators are there now.
Did you risk opening another short yet?

[fox you] 21/2/2015 15:13

Malcom - re my post below - you said you was "Emailing Flowgroup for a response." Well, have they lost their tongue?

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123qwer 8 Feb'15 - 14:43 - 2406 of 2758 0 1

Good afternoon

I am planning to buy close to 20p subject to fundamentals at the time

123qwer 6 Feb'15 - 19:21 - 2371 of 2382 0 1 edit

Ok, I give you the following to digest and I hope you don't try and take the p out of me again.

The positives: 1: Boiler is on the market.

The uncertainties: 1:Boiler reliability.
2:FIT may be altered any-time.
3:The competition, BG back in the market and others wont sit on their hands if CHP boilers take off which I doubt, not at these prices they won't.

The Negatives:

1:Cost of boiler, conservative comparison, 300% dearer than combi boilers.
2: No instant hot water, a big no, no for the mass market.
3: Warranty 2yrs as opposed to the almost industry norm of 5 to 10yrs.
4: Installation costs approx 350% higher.
5: To produce electric boiler has to run ie heating, south of uk, boilers run about 4 to 4:5 months of the year, usually hour before work and 4 hours after work.
6: Size, looks a bit ugly and big and wont fit most kitchen cabinets, ie like most people with modern kitchens have it tucked away in kitchen cupboard.
7:Brand not well known.
8: Price reduction per unit will have to be substantial to compete against combis cant see it happening.
9: Most homes of 2/3 bedrooms where family go out to work will find it thousands cheaper to have a replacement like for like combi bolier with the on tap hot water for about 1200 quid as opposed to the 3675 for boiler and approx 1800 for installation equates to 5475 A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE OF 4275 - YES 4275 QUID


I REST MY CASE AND HOPING TO BUY CLOSE TO 20P for a very long term punt (One of the better AIM companies imo)

(Final negative in this post, the Flow Combi bolier predicted 18 to 24 months - if it happens, appearance, size and capacity/output matters, reaibility matters, price matters, warranty matters and may needs loads of money for development and there could be delays, so money may need to be raised)

Enjoy the weekend - I am your friend and as yet hold no position in Flowgroup

(NB: The above is in my judgement based on what I read, see and hear, then digest in my educated brain, then able to share my knowledge with others. If you lack capacity to make your own judgements I'd strongly recommend you consult a financial expert re the stock you have an interest in.)

© FOX YOU, 2015

[cyberbub] 20/2/2015 22:38

PS If we get news of a European contract at 07:00 some day soon, then I don't think anyone could buy below 50p at 08:00...

NAI

[larry335] 20/2/2015 22:38

cyber
Yes, agreed. Just a waiting game now...
GLAH

[cyberbub] 20/2/2015 22:30

It's almost like they planned it.

LOL Larry, I like it!

That is indeed the one thing that has impressed me in my 12-month holding of Flow... the management has planned everything down to a T, and delivered every milestone as they promised (or every one that is under their control, anyway). It's rare to get that in an AIM company, and while there are certainly still many hurdles to overcome, having top-drawer management removes one of the biggest...

NAI

[larry335] 20/2/2015 22:23

This is one of the companies who have been doing the surveys and will be installing Flow boilers (initially in the North West).



For anyone puzzled or concerned why the installs are scheduled for April:
(I know it's already been posted) The busiest time of year for gas engineers is the winter...many emergency calls repairing breakdowns. The emergency calls and workload eases up by the end of March. So it is fairly obvious why the boiler installs have been planned to start in April, although surveys were started in February.
Flow opened the training facility in July last year so that they could train the engineers... at the least busiest time for companies like STL .

It's almost like they planned it.

[cyberbub] 20/2/2015 22:19

1fox1, a useful find. I spy the hand of Flow's marketing department... the more mentions the merrier!

[1fox1] 20/2/2015 21:27

Very interesting article from the Renewable Energy Hub. They seem very impressed with the boiler. Check out their review.

www.renewableenergyhub.co.uk/the-flow-microchp-boiler.html

[fox you] 20/2/2015 21:02

Hello

On the lse forums, investors appear to be worried sick - read for yourselves - they want new - the usual BS other than

"why are the boilers not installed until April."???##
Well, why is that? Teething probs?

You lot should know - I guess you will say the tech are 'training' - imo they are not training to be brain surgeons are they!!

Fox You x 2

[fox you] 20/2/2015 20:59

Hello

On the lse forums, investors appear to be worried sick - read for yourselves - they want new - the usual BS other than

"why are the boilers not installed until April."???##
Well, why is that? Teething probs?

You lot should know - I guess you will say the tech are 'training' - imo they are not training to be brain surgeons are they!!

Fox You x 2

[rufio90210] 20/2/2015 20:54

Hi fox can you re iterate your prediction and buy price again cheers

[fruitninja84] 20/2/2015 18:56

Will be intresting to see if we get a technical bounce on Monday off 30p, rarely if ever are companies perfectly priced in the market, I suspect these are worth more. I'm 29p goes I would suggest that those worried or long from 40p plus open a short as a hedge, again if positive news comes this will no doubt gap up 20 or even 30% leaving those wishing they got in at these levels, bad news mostly priced in imo, watching L2 with interest ... ;)

[uppompeii] 20/2/2015 18:39

You've just repeated what you've been saying for the last few weeks Fox, what is this new research that's made you more pessimistic?

[fox you] 20/2/2015 18:35

Hello

Been doing some more research and I'm getting even more pessimistic about the future of this Flow boiler.

IMO, over rated, over priced, lacks a decent warranty, 1800 installtion will put many off. Yes, most here will disagree with me, but not to worry as the Share Price is behaving the way I feel.
I may buy some at/about 20p subject to fundamentals at the time

Btw, the combi boiler Flow is working on, hopefully its compact but IMO many hurdels and reliability issues to cross as to produce heat, hot water and electric, what will be the efficiency be??

For next week I am predicting share price to end the day below 30p and week after 25p unless FG pull something positive out of the hat

ATB DYOR

FOX YOU

[essential] 20/2/2015 17:44

Totally agree uppompeii - people post on here like they have put the life savings into the share. It was the same with the nutters, I mean investors on quindell who lived every second of every price movement as they had put everything they had hoping to make it rich. Folks use sensible portfolio management - 5% max in any one share- ,earns a loser has a small impact on the portfolio and you are not making desperate calls for the price to rise or trying to scare people and hoping for a fall. Rant over. By the way I invested 5% at 41p in my SIPP so showing a loss but not in it for the weekend and in the scheme of things a loss on 5 % is manageable