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[hubcaps] 17/8/2004 13:55

Dear Abrahamtoast

I'm Stephen / Manny and I post regularly on ESAG.

I was intrigued by your reference to Private Eye in your posting on 8th August. As I'm a pretty thorough sort of person, I would like to do more research on this point. Can you give me something to go on - a date perhaps, a title to an article or the journalist's name?. I'd be very grateful, and maybe there would be a benefit to ESAG members and other interested parties.

e-mail me at: [e-mail] - or just post here.

Thanks again

Stephen

[gerry2] 14/8/2004 12:01

Could someone put that last post through the Enigma machine?

[htrocka] 14/8/2004 10:23

.....any possible future float of Energis within the next couple of years should bare in mind that all of the last five world recessions have been preceded by an oil price hyke and job losses.......... friday we hit a new record oil price high. With regards to a float...I would adopt a `hold` policy and give the company more time for expansion and growth. History has proved that the back-end of all oil problems have only be resolved by the introduction of an inflationary cycle.....Float too early and the present directors will experience what Energis shareholders have already gone through..... except this time they`ll be robbing themselves. P.S...The rejection of the British Energy Reconstruction Plan by it`s shareholders....will be an interesting case to follow....with the final outcome to be announced next February. British Energy, NTL,Telewest, Marconi,My Travel to mention but a few...have all had debts larger than Energis...and all the above retained their original shareholders albeit through debt for equity swaps....in fact I can`t think of any company whereby the creditors have completetly taken over a company and left it`s shareholders with nothing..? With the British Energy scenario....the reconstruction has gone better than expected and the shareholder is now demanding....through the judiciary if neccesary, a bigger slice of the pie.... If they succeed.....we could follow. This is were the £30k would come in handy.

[edward3] 11/8/2004 22:43

4 words sum this up for me -

totally and utterly disgusted

[simeon7] 11/8/2004 22:30

LOL!

This injustice shall not be tolerated.

I am starting the ESAGAG.........Details here soon.

[gerry2] 11/8/2004 22:04

rmart
Just looked on the ESAG site at the accounts ?
Glad I only paid a measly £25 the cost of a deal .
It was worth it if only to confirm my understanding of how solicitors that are given a free hand with ones money Work .
That they are not frugal with it .

Can The Last one to leave switch the light out please.

[rmart] 11/8/2004 00:02

imo, i bet adrian didn't lose any cash on energis. maybe he recouped his losses by other means, nudge, nudge, wink wink, know what i mean ?

by the way did anyone ever see the esag accounts as to where the 30k went ???

[gerry2] 10/8/2004 00:06

Robin!
A tip !
Don't bend down in the Showers to pick up the prison soap?

[robin godfrey] 09/8/2004 22:49

ab,

Quite right.We rushed into this without checking credentials,this person has been a complete waste of time and money.He has led from behind.There is also a conflict of interest "The Law" which is dated and a complete ASS.

These people are NOT concerned about Joe Bloggs, as I have indicated in the past, any changes in our out dated law will only be achieved by "ACTION" and to achieve this you have to "break the law" - look at past action groups.

[abrahamtoast] 08/8/2004 20:56

I don't think there is much disagreement with the fact that ESAG and Adrian have made a complete ar*e of what little case we ever had. Unfortunately that is what happens when you pin all your hopes on the first alternative offered.

ESAG was always absolutely hopeless. Obviously run by incompetents who just loved the idea of being important (see all my earlier posts - this is not a new opinion) Adrian and Michael Ashe unfortunately fall under the same umbrella.

Not my fault.......... Not yours either. Firstly the fault of those running Energis plc..... thereafter the fault of the idiots in whom we entrusted our hopes.

Just a thought - I offer no opinion - did anyone check that those who set up and ran ESAG were actually on our side to begin with. I have heard rumblings which suggest that the personnel co-ordinating ESAG may not be entirely "independent". Do any of you read "Private Eye"???

[htrocka] 07/8/2004 23:50

thanks for the reply....lets hope I`m also wrong about the oil price prediction, the rise in interest rates, the strenghtening pound that will stifle exports and company profits that inevitably halts stockmarket growth with a knock on effect of a slow down in spending due to debt serviceing that if lasts for more than two quartes will lead us into recession.....not to mention that the Saudi`s have already increased output capacity to near maximum...just one incident with global oil production and we`re back to the 73/4 scenario.LOL...I wish I could.....take my advice....move into Gold. It`s now begining it`s ten year bull run. A couple of of years down the line and you`ll have a few more certificates to hang along with the Energis shares.The Saudi`s have made a £10bn offer for Yukos oil....just a small indication of the pressure they`re under....the out come of these talks will be interesting...

[gerry2] 06/8/2004 18:57

htrocka
its feels like seven years already ?
it could be next septober or is it Octember !
I cant think it been so long now , What Year is It ?
Its Nice to think you are putting something aside for Your great great grandsons pension?
A antique Framed Energis share Certificate could be worth a fortune to a novelty collector in years to come .
They could hang it next to the Titanic memorabilia to remind them of the Unsinkable folly of stupidity .

[htrocka] 06/8/2004 17:55

just as a matter of interest.....exactly how much time is left to comply with seven years....minus a day or two...? a lot of doom- sayers predict a rough time on global markets over the next couple of years when the reality of world debt kicks in... after the American elections.. and not to mention Deutche Banks recent $100 a oil-barrel prediction for next year.......which may be to the benefit of Energis Holders if they leave the float to about three to four years time.....I`m looking at the shares as paart of a pension portfolio.

[chrisjg] 03/8/2004 18:34

Seven years 1 day for the float then shareholders get nothing why would the banks and bondholders float before then - I am sure they feel no guilt - it is business make money while you can ......

It will p' me off but I expect no less...

[robby george] 03/8/2004 11:19

>Russ

LOL !

Regards

Scratchnsniff

;-

[simeon7] 03/8/2004 11:17

ROFL!

If the action group are quarelling, then what's the point in continuing.

[gerry2] 02/8/2004 21:16

Not you to Russell ?
The banks still wont change the ten bob notes you sent.

[simeon7] 02/8/2004 20:57

LoL!

Can I have my £5 donation back please.

[adrian turner] 02/8/2004 20:29

Robin,

Plenty of people visit the ESAG site as the number of viewings shows.

Moving material from one domain to another without the permission of the author can lead to difficulties with the author and, perhaps, others.

The ESAG site has been, and I hope will continue to be, a lively discussion forum. It is, however, a members' forum and members post on that basis.

Very best regards,

ADRIAN TURNER

[adrian turner] 02/8/2004 19:37

Chrisjg, I have asked for a proper itemised account so that it can be sent by e-mail to all ESAG members.

ADRIAN TURNER

[robin godfrey] 02/8/2004 19:35

Adrian,

The ESAG site has lost it's credability ESAG members do not frequent this site owing to the lack of any progress, leadership, and a clear direction, therefore, copies are taken from the ESAG site and copied on numerous BB's.

These BB's appear to have more active than our current site, which may explain the lack of activity on chelys site.

[chrisjg] 02/8/2004 19:07

Adrian, why not chase the solicitor who spent the vast proportion of the money for a copy of the bill that said paid in full - thanks for the money :-)

Chrisjg