Diversified Energy Share Discussion Threads

[bountyhunter] 15/2/2024 11:40

No SS it has been mainly iis especially M&G selling off (probably a forced seller). The tender offer will help stop that especially as it's in the interests of the iis tendering shares to see the price rise, a masterstroke!

[blue square] 15/2/2024 11:35

Steven your entitlement is
around £483 so around
54 shares, it may be worth
doing, thats your decision

[stevensupertrader] 15/2/2024 11:32

👍🏻 thanks so if I got 700 shares - really no point at all sad

[blue square] 15/2/2024 11:28

Your Entitlement is what
you would receive in
dividends you can only
use the tender scheme up
to your entitlement

[blue square] 15/2/2024 11:26

My entitlement is £3372
So could use the tender
Scheme for 375 shares
From my total of 4887
But why would I?

[stevensupertrader] 15/2/2024 11:23

Do you meant , 7% of the entitlement ?
Take your example - your total dividend entitles you to get 375 shares if you took option 2 , so you be allowed 25 shares to sell out of your entitlement of 375 shares ! If this was the case - definitely many private shareholders are excluded 😞

[blue square] 15/2/2024 11:16

As the most shares you can
tender is about 7% of your holding
unless you have a massive
holding its pretty irrelevant

[plutonian] 15/2/2024 11:09

Sounds like a win-win-win then.

* Cash returned with valuable CGT loss.

* Not classed as income, so no income tax.

* No withholding tax (I am yet to be convinced how the IRS will deal with this as I do not understand US tax law).

[stevensupertrader] 15/2/2024 11:03

If blue square is right about tendering for large shareholders and institutions , in fact for the past few months , it was the small shoulder holders that were selling off . IMO , if this scheme exclude small shareholders, you can see them existing very soon and pushing down the share price .

[meanreverter] 15/2/2024 10:59

Plutonian:
(1) No. The US does not levy capital-gains (or income) tax on foreigners living outside the US. Dividend withholding tax is a tax on company payouts rather than on individuals, with some provisions for relief through double-taxation treaties.
(2) Yes. Selling your shares, outside a tax-sheltered account, would likely crystallize a UK CGT loss (because of the general downward trajectory of DEC shares).

[kaos3] 15/2/2024 10:56

and stiefel - the arranger - is managing the bb

he can drive share price lol

[kaos3] 15/2/2024 10:52

also takes care of FTSE 250

a master stroke

[kaos3] 15/2/2024 10:51

ii are forced sellers - redemptions and esg ... so bod provided

[kaos3] 15/2/2024 10:50

i see it in simple terms - 42 m additional buying power emerged. at a 5 pc premium

puts a floor under the shares imho

good for the selling shareholders imho and for the remaining

i like this BOD. proactive in shareholder value - in a decent and transparent way - caring for all groups - not just a specific group of shareholders

a masterstroke just in time

[aleman] 15/2/2024 10:48

Don't forget there is a 1.5% stamp duty charged on UK sales into a foreign depositary nominee. I presume this only holds for the temporary 6 months that the Depositary Nominee is in place from December to May? (Google "Diversified Energy 19437-23"). Nobody has mentioned this in recent trading but I assume it applies to anyone selling in the UK until May.

[1knocker] 15/2/2024 10:39

As I read it, the price which is to be paid for tendered shares is 105% of the ex d share price (the market price on 27 March). Tenderers waive the dividend. Thus those wishing to sell shares can tender shares and in effect receive the market price of the shares they tender plus the waived dividend as a capital payment.

This is broadly neutral to those who wish to sell and would be liable to 30% withholding tax if they took the dividend and sold their shares in the open market, as they take the dividend as capital (and thus free of the withholding tax). There is no advantage to those who are only liable to 15% withholding tax as ISA holders save a saving in sale costs which are unlikely to approach the value of the dividend (less additional capital payment) forgone, and it is plainly unattractive to SIPP holders who are not liable to any withholding tax at all.

The price the company is paying for the tendered shares is in substance market price on 27 March (an ex div price) plus 5% (as a capital sum) in lieu of an income dividend amounting to approximately 7.5% (at current market price, which should logically fall when the shares go ex div) of the price payable for the shares tendered. 7.5% less 30% withholding tax is 5.25%, so 5% received as capital rather than 5.25% as (net of 30% withholding tax) income is only attractive if the holder would have more UK income tax to pay on top of that.

Of course, if the market share price is higher on 27 March than today, the value of the 5% additional capital payment in lieu of the income dividend rises. Since the 'basic' price of the tendered shares is the same as that available on the open market on the day, the value of the 5% capital sum as against the net of tax value of the income dividend is the only material consideration.

The upshot, as I read it, is that no ISA or SIPP holder should take up the tender offer, and any other holder would have to take account of his wider income and capital tax position to decide whether it is likely to be favourable to him to do so. For most. unless there is a significant fortuitous RISE in the share price by 27 March (significantly increasing the value of the 5%) taking up the tender offer is likely to be broadly neutral as against selling shares in the market and taking the dividend as income.

Or have I got it plaited? I shall read comments with interest - possibly embarrassment !!

[bluemango] 15/2/2024 10:35

There could well be the amusing situation that many PI shareholders will be planning to opt for receiving the dividend, whilst also hoping most other holders take the opposite option and go for the buyback choice.

[plutonian] 15/2/2024 10:21

I assume that this is designed to be tax-efficient.

Is the return of capital subject to US withholding tax?

Does the return of capital trigger a CGT event? I assume it could crystalize a CGT loss for most people (outside a SIPP/ISA), due to Avergage Cost accounting.

A dummies guide would be helpful.

[97peter] 15/2/2024 10:21

Louie Randais you are a fool , go away . Oh sorry Louis Bandais or whoever you are? De-damper!! Or on drugs?

[97peter] 15/2/2024 10:16

Louise, just joined have you? De-tamper paid or just a saddo wanting attention and no friends?

[con90210] 15/2/2024 10:02

This has become a great trading share. Last few sessions gone from 895p to 920p frequently.