Diversified Energy Share Discussion Threads

[renewed1] 27/7/2022 08:04

We have to trust the management on that as even if they had released the number we wouldnt be in a position to judge the relative value. Im happy that they are rapidly building this side of the business as it reduces what I see as one of the major risks to the company.

[holts] 27/7/2022 07:58

How much did they pay ?

[renewed1] 27/7/2022 07:30

Good news on the the plugging front!

[3800] 26/7/2022 19:42

Total fertility rate of the whole world is 2.4 which is higher than the 2.1 which you wrote is needed to maintain a population. It's easy to pick out individual countries which match your own theory, look at Nigeria.
3800

[loafingchard] 26/7/2022 19:40

I've found them to be good listeners

[lord gnome] 26/7/2022 19:09

Thanks Aleman. Sometimes I think I might as well talk to the trees.

[1knocker] 26/7/2022 19:03

We had better ask China to release a better quality covid.

[mrnumpty] 26/7/2022 14:06

aleman . Thanks for that . So , computer games act as a type of contraceptive , presumably by reducing the libido of players ! For what little it counts , I agree with you on the drop in the birth rate in the West but , in large parts of the “ developing “ world , continuing high birth rates combined with reduced infant mortality are causing major population m teases in many countries . No , not China , whose population is declining but , at the same time , India is soon due to be the most populous country in the world . I agree that this will have important impacts in investing , but also obviously in geo-politics , with the subsequent rise and fall of nations .

[aleman] 26/7/2022 11:24

Population increases are being driven by ageing populations - not birth rates. A total fertility rate of 2.1 is needed to maintain a population. France's is the highest in Europe with 1.88. Malta is lowest with 1.23. (Note - TFR is a projection based on current birth rate trends.) In 1970, global TFR was 4.9. In 2019, it was 2.4. If anything, it looks to have decelerated more quickly since then thanks to Covid (and computer games?). The UK TFR has fallen from 1.81 to 1.53 in the 5 years to 2021. The falls in birth rates have been dramatic recently and there will be economic consequences since children drive many forms of borrowing and spending. Our local primary has reorganised a bit this year to cope with falling numbers. A falling global population before long looks baked in but what will be the social and economic consequences?





Apologies for off topic - but this is significant and could affect all shares in the not too distant future.

[mrnumpty] 26/7/2022 08:47

Having just posted here about world population , I then checked my facts which , fortunately for me , were fairly correct ! The group is called the “ Optimum Population Trust “ and Attenborough is there on the front page , advocating for a significant drop in world population from the current figure of almost eight billion which the group cites . What I think doesn’t matter one iota , but I fully agree , but there is the slight matter of how you go about it . Anyway , none of us little people can influence this - it’ll be done by the increasingly despotic nuke-armed states , increasingly global pandemics ( much assisted by global travel ) and global warming ( largely caused by variations in the Sun’s output - our nearest star is 109 times the diameter of our Earth , and one could fit one million of our tiny planet inside the Sun ) . Anyway , totally off-piste so apologies but hardly anyone knows of the extreme population policy advocated by oh-so-benign-and-cuddly Attenborough - I for what little it matters , agree with him , but there’s the tiny matter of how you go about without destroying the world economy .

[mrnumpty] 26/7/2022 08:32

Two comments : 1/. Page 11 of today’s Telegraph has an article titled “ Gazprom
cuts gas flow to Europe by 80% : prices jump by 10% as Russian state-controlled firm slashes output and blames maintenance issues [ on the existing Nord Strom gas pipeline from Russia to Germany “ . The article suggests that Russia will not completely stop gas supplies to Germany , but that it is obviously weaponising gas in order to manipulate prices ( if Russia supplies less gas but prices achieved are higher , then the net effect in Russia is zero or perhaps positive ) and in order to prevent gullible Germany from building any reserves for the coming winter ; 2/. As for the issue of world population , which is if only tangential relevance here , I believe that the deified Lord David Attenborough , whose every utterance is seized upon by a sycophantically worshipping population , is a member of an organisation called “ the optimum population organisation “ ( that’s from memory , so the name might not be quite correct and , anyway , I believe the group changed its name ) . Also from memory , I believe that thus group advocates for the U.K. population to be ideally about 15 million . Strange isn’t it that that element of Attenborough’s interests is barely reported in the media ?

[carcosa] 26/7/2022 06:41

Has DGOC mentioned anything regarding the use of their pipelines for hydrogen distribution and/or co-mingling with methane?

[carcosa] 26/7/2022 05:39

As per LG's comments:

hxxps://tradingeconomics.com/world/population-growth-annual-percent-wb-data.html

You can further use the same site to see countries, age groups etc.

[lord gnome] 25/7/2022 22:32

Not at all greygeorge. The easiest way to reduce carbon emissions on this planet is to reduce the number of people. All I am saying is that this will happen naturally, given time, and the planet should rebalance. Is this too difficult for you to grasp?

[greygeorge] 25/7/2022 22:23

Strange choice of countries to give as examples...But, your whole argument on this issue is strange.

[gary1966] 25/7/2022 21:35

LG,

To counterbalance that remember Gadaffi saying that they didn’t need to go to war as the birth rate would do it in time. So some populations/religions are growing at an alarming rate to negate the above and some.

[lord gnome] 25/7/2022 20:32

Oh dear greyGeorge. What nonsense. Don’t shoot the messenger. It is already happening and nothing whatsoever to do with ethnic cleansing. It is the developed world that is leading the charge as you will discover if you spend a few minutes doing a bit of elementary research. Take a look at birth rates and population projections (for example) for Italy, Japan, China, Russia. The best contraceptives in the world are education and affluence.

[greygeorge] 25/7/2022 19:33

lord gnome, why does the planet need to get rid of a 'few billion' souls when 20% of the planet is responsible for the consumption of 80% of the resources ? While you seem to consider ethnic cleansing of a few billion to be the solution, I'd suggest a targeted reduction of the minority that consume the most may be a more equitable solution ? Maybe that way, we'd only lose a couple hundred million, rather than the billions you're advocating the extermination of ?

[lord gnome] 25/7/2022 19:14

It's already happening knocker, and quite naturally. Women are having fewer babies, not enough to replace the population, and the global population is ageing. I venture to suggest that we are rapidly approaching peak people.

[1knocker] 25/7/2022 18:35

Any suggestions as to how we should go about culling a few billion of the world population lord g? Not much point in identifying the solution unless you also have a practical proposal for achieving it.

[seanworld] 25/7/2022 18:23

As George Carlin said..

The planet is fine. Its been here 4.5 billion years+
and it will be here for billions of years after we are all but dust.


Just another failed mutation.

[lord gnome] 25/7/2022 17:47

'Destruction of insect diversity and mass, critical to plant and animal life alike, should really worry you.'

It does, as does the continued degradation of agricultural soil quality by intensive farming methods.

By the way, I take it from your comments that biology was not your strong point at school, otherwise you would know a bit more about the carbon cycle.

What we need is a few billion less people on the planet. Try reading this.....

hxxps://www.amazon.co.uk/Empty-Planet-Global-Population-Decline/dp/1472142950

[1knocker] 25/7/2022 17:36

Are you looking forward to a new age of sail too, lord g?
All that extra cargo space without any engine or fuel to accommodate, AND free power.The problem is, there is a bit more to the economics of marine transport, just as this to the economics of power generation, than free wind.
As for renewables, nothing has speeded up deforestation more than the incentives to produce biofuels.
Don't worry your head about carbon. Nature can cope with that. Carbon and oxygen are what nature runs on. Its the virtually everlasting synthetic chemicals which are leeching into water (and the atmosphere too) which will finish off the planet as we know it. That and the loss of biodiversity. Destruction of insect diversity and mass, critical to plant and animal life alike, should really worry you.

[fordtin] 25/7/2022 17:22

Trees and other oxygen generating fauna thrive in Co2 rich environments. Should humans really be sucking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere at ground level(tree level) to compensate for methane, nitrous oxide etc. in the upper atmosphere?

Carbon equivalents suck ...... the oxygen we rely on!


"O2 Dropping Faster than CO2 Rising"