Cloudified Share Discussion Threads

[debbiegee] 19/4/2016 15:41

We are bending over backwards to help them and discussing quiet a few unnamed issues of cooperation.
If they are not sorting our business out I will feel like sticking my fingers down my throat !!!

[masarap] 19/4/2016 15:28

Not so debbie, but thank-you anyway :-)

[debbiegee] 19/4/2016 15:26

Masarap Post 3050
You say it so much better than I do !!!!

:-)))))))))))

[fidra] 19/4/2016 15:23

Good point masarap.

CHL applying a bit of squeeze as it may be very embarrassing internationally when the authenticity verdict is delivered.

[flyingc] 19/4/2016 15:22

Thanks DW (3047)

I think we can fairly safely assume that DQ and his fellow directors are aware of what is written on these boards.

After all, if you were on the BOD wouldn't you want to know what the "owners" (ie the shareholders)had to say about you and your strategy ?!? I would.

The BOD may have more shares than the rest of us, but I defy any mortal to resist the temptation to know what others are saying about them in these circumstances when that information is freely available on the internet. Who knows, they may even find some of it helpful.

And yes - I am sure they laugh at some of it ;-)

FC

[debbiegee] 19/4/2016 15:20

That"ll do nicely thanks !
Cant pay ? We"ll take it away !!!1

[fidra] 19/4/2016 15:18

The traders who all ex(C)ited this morning!!

[masarap] 19/4/2016 15:16

Yes ROI surely had to be referencing settlement talks when the minister quoted in the Indonesian paper article expressed his view that the case would be resolved in January were it notfor CHL 'delays'. He would know that ICSID would not deliver their document authenticity decision in January and, besides, the case would progress to merits. So to reference completion in January could only have stemmed from an anticipated settlement.

If CHL win authenticity I agree they are odds-on winning but If ROI don't engage then CHL will not only be odds-on there will only be one horse in the race.

[debbiegee] 19/4/2016 15:12

Well Fidra it should surely be quicker so maybe therefore cheaper.

I wonder what started the trading frenzy yesterday at 4 ?

[fidra] 19/4/2016 15:05

By GOI not taking part it will make the arbitration cheaper......hopefully!

[daddy warbucks] 19/4/2016 15:05

Flying C I wish I had your way with words. You sum things up very well. Yes we are all putting forward theories to try to explain what is happening and you do wonder if the BOD read these boards and are laughing their socks off.As you say, hopefully the next week or two, may shed some light on the subject.

[debbiegee] 19/4/2016 15:04

Well if we win this forgery case then the change of odds on winning will be massive,more like odds on favourite !
OOPS I forgot to say and the share price should reflect that !

Meanwhile I dont think they have suggested a fair offer to us yet and I think they have just used their bullying tactics,perhaps telling us we are going to run out of money to challenge them so why not accept their measly offering ?

[daddy warbucks] 19/4/2016 14:56

You could be right Debbie. When negotiating you always start low and work up to an agreement. Just looks like they couldn't agree on an acceptable price for both parties.With board members controlling over 50% of the shares, we would not have to be consulted unless they think the price is right.

[flyingc] 19/4/2016 14:54

DW (3040)

Those are all good questions. And they all suggest obvious answers.

As I see it, if ROI were acting as one unified, logical and honourable party to the case it would have been settled up long ago. That is most likely what would have happened if this case had been between two reasonable commercial entities.

Very apparently though ROI are not acting as one unified, logical and honourable party. They are explicitly not a reasonable commercial entity.

There was a chaotic approach to how ROI went about trying to find reasons to get rid of CHL, seemingly to enrich Isran Noor's cronies (who at that time still held sway in ROI). We now have the aftermath of that period. The CHL case is a political hot potato for them and to continue that analogy they don't have proper oven gloves to handle it with.

But ROI aren't deciding here - if they were I wouldn't touch CHL with a bargepole. ICSID decide what happens if ROI don't settle up, and I trust them to get it right (In ICSID we trust, rather than certain posters, if you know what I mean by that).

We'll know soon enough if there is an endgame now, or more waiting. Either way we are now in a better position than we were a week ago.

GL

FC

[debbiegee] 19/4/2016 14:46

I also think they have made an offer but low ball .
They also said that they hoped it would be cleared up by January but we were holding things up which the co emphatically denied.
Who knows perhaps a 2nd offer was made and they went away in a huff ?

[sideshowbull] 19/4/2016 14:43

Last 2 days we have had pin bar reversals to close.

Same today?..

[daddy warbucks] 19/4/2016 14:39

Before anyone jumps down my throat those figures were meant as an example and could be way off the mark.

[daddy warbucks] 19/4/2016 14:38

Then why at this point, make yourselves out to be bloody minded by refusing to pay the ICSID costs and not speaking to anyone. That doesn't make sense. By doing it they have brought negative attention on themselves.Yes I believe negotiations were taking place and I am sure the ROI have offered a price that has been rejected. Was it too low or could it have been a reasonable middle of the road offer which the Churchill board members think could be improved on by awaiting the outcome of the ICSID ruling?As an example could the ROI have offered £3 a share, but Churchill thought they would get more at ICSID?If the ROI thought they had made a decent offer which was turned down, then they may have decided that no offer was going to tempt our board and they are simply waiting to see what ICSID offers, hoping it may be less than the £3 a share.We don't know any details so we are all guessing. However if the ROI were to make a hostile bid for the company at say £2.50 a share, how many here would gladly shake their hand and take it.The ROI wouldn't get control of the company if the board didn't accept, but they could make things awfully difficult for those in charge if they had 28-40% of the company!

[debbiegee] 19/4/2016 12:57

50k @ 25.2 11.53

[debbiegee] 19/4/2016 12:31

Looks like mms gone to lunch with Cameron + co :-))))))))

[debbiegee] 19/4/2016 12:20

Hmmmmmmmmmm depends what the news is ?

Multi faceted anyway,could be news on visit,news in a few days from ICSID,news of winning forgery case ?
Whatever happens we are getting closer and things are looking better.

The last peice of news prompted over 100% rise and that peice of news is still unfolding and we dont quiet know where its going

[daddy warbucks] 19/4/2016 12:16

You would have to be mad to short this at the moment. Traders are using the thought of news this week to entice buyers in.We've all heard the old adage, "Buy on the rumour sell on the news".

[debbiegee] 19/4/2016 12:04

Not that Im really bovvered but I have a hunch mms played a blinder today.

ie opening high getting the traders to sell to gather in some stock just in case.
If nothing happens this week I and many others will still be here but if something does happen I pity anyone who has dared to short.