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In the recent discussions on ADVFN regarding Aviva Plc (AV), investor sentiment appears cautiously optimistic, with commentators recognizing the company's strong position in the market and potential for growth. Insights from user interactions indicate a consensus about holding onto shares, viewing Aviva as a dependable investment with solid dividends. A user highlights, "there isn't a better alternative," underscoring confidence in Aviva's stability amidst broader market volatilities.
Financial highlights discussed include the anticipated impact of recent tax strategy shifts that could bolster Aviva’s revenue, particularly with life assurance policies that could appeal to high-net-worth individuals looking to minimize inheritance tax burdens. One participant mentioned, “Aviva is grabbing all the headlines now,” indicating growing industry visibility, but also acknowledged the associated risks with acquisitions like that of Direct Line Insurance Group. Investors remain aware of the economic context, with current inflation trends and interest rates being a crucial consideration for future stock performance, one suggesting, “If rates go down as expected may we see it rise higher.” Overall, the discussions reflect a blend of optimism tempered with caution, as investors weigh potential growth against broader economic indicators.
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In the week of February 5 to February 12, 2025, a series of disclosures under Rule 8.3 of the Takeover Code were made concerning Aviva PLC. Major asset management firms including Barclays PLC, UBS O'Connor, BlackRock Group, Legal & General Investment Management, and State Street Global Advisors all reported their holdings indicating interests of 1% or more in Aviva's relevant securities as of February 10, 2025. These disclosures suggest that significant investment interest persists surrounding Aviva, indicating confidence in the company's performance or potential strategic moves.
The repeated disclosures may also be linked to ongoing discussions in the broader insurance and financial services while highlighting Aviva's positioning in the market amid potential acquisitions or mergers, particularly with names like Direct Line Insurance Group PLC and Dowlais Group PLC being mentioned as well. While specific financial highlights were not provided in the news items, the concentration of large institutional investors suggests a robust level of market engagement and potential valuation considerations for Aviva PLC in the current financial landscape.
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imo the only useful thing about these financial journos (who have to write something), is that you might see a company you hadn't thought of, because you haven't got time to scour the entire market. |
FT . ‘Tax advisers urge wealthy to take out life assurance to reduce inheritance tax’ |
Interesting Boystown. I'm happy to hold too. What's the alternative? Move my money put of a well run solidly dependable dividend company with decent upside potential into what? It's horses for courses and good luck to Mr Wild but for me, there isn't a better alternative |
FWIW, this writer, Lee Wild, has ditched Aviva from his "10 shares to give you a £10,000 annual income in 2025" portfolio.... (but just to stress, I'm v happy to hold) |
Into my third year as an EV driver & no accidents. Incidentally, my premium dropped by 50% this year to circa £410. spud |
EV drivers are more likely to crash but less likely to get hurt . The Times |
Growth of economy is expected to halve . If inflation behaves we may be in for more cuts faster. |
7+2 = 9 = -0.25 |
Good to see someone paying attention in class.... |
Erm..... |
they didnt and its gone higher... |
Teasing 5 year high again . If rates go down as expected may we see it rise higher |
Looks like we may be in an uncertain world . Aviva should be a safe haven . |
It's been more than four decades since TV audiences were first introduced to Knight Rider, its leather-clad star David Hasselhoff, and his sidekick: a haughty, self-driving Pontiac called KITT.This means 40-odd years in which autonomous vehicles' (AVs) potential has loomed large in our imaginations. Clearly, the future is yet to arrive. But unlike nuclear fusion, cryonics, and teleportation, the technology has now existed for two decades and could soon be rolled out.Domestically, British Knight Rider fans may finally get a taste of the automated thing from 2026, when the government expects the first AVs on UK roads. The Automated Vehicles Act, which last year passed into law, is intended to aid the technology's deployment, reduce collisions caused by human error, and jump-start an industry "estimated to be worth up to £42bn by 2035". Cue warm words from self-driving start-ups Oxa and Wayve, and the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders.The same announcement carried no comment from the UK's leading motor insurers (2024 market value £22bn), though they will be watching closely. If driving is on the cusp of rapid growth and disruption, as AV proponents suggest, then the concept of driver liability could soon be overturned.Right now, however, the UK's motor claims sector is facing a more imminent shake-up. Assuming a recently defanged CMA doesn't derail things, Aviva (AV.) will soon buy Direct Line (DLG), doubling its market exposure to become the industry's biggest player.Both parties have reasons for cheer. By selling at a big premium and hitching itself to a bigger wagon, Direct Line shareholders are no longer all-in on an iffy turnaround strategy. For Aviva, the prize is a more balanced insurance book, and lower relative group-level capital strain, all for a fair price. Then there are the cookie-cutter M&A benefits: savings, synergies, market share, and EPS accretion.How about that supposedly seismic change in the foundations of motor insurance and risk? Does that factor into projections? After all, the economic value of the intangible assets Aviva is paying up for Direct Line's brand, patents and customer lists relies on long-term profit forecasts. Within a decade, if AV adoption has exploded, the risks of impairment to both the Direct Line business and Aviva's existing motor lines could spike. Should shareholders worry about the £3.7bn deal?It would seem not, based on an hour-long presentation to investors and analysts after the tie-up was recommended. At least, that's the implication. The impact of self-driving cars simply received no mention. When asked about the deal in the context of AV disruption, Aviva declined to comment.Aviva & Direct Line: A new dividend machine?Drive onTo understand why Aviva is prepared to calmly look past the self-driving threat and double down on motor insurance, we need first to consider what those heady AV projections will require.As of January 2025, there are no self-driving vehicles cleared for UK roads. As with electric vehicles, widespread AV adoption will rely on the existing fleet's replacement, rather than its upgrade given the latter isn't possible with current technology. That makes this a gradual shift, at an uncertain rate.This doesn't mean some analysts haven't factored the rise of AVs into their earnings and valuation models. In 2017, Deutsche Bank released a report warning that self-driving cars could lead to an 80 per cent drop in personal motor insurance by 2050. Though it suggested a "meaningful" impact would not be felt for more than a decade, the analyst team estimated the market would start to shrink by 3 per cent a year, on a like-for-like basis, from 2028.Eight years (and several stuttering attempts in the US and China to roll out AVs) later, Deutsche's timeline has been pushed back. Its estimates for the rate of contraction have also thinned. As far as structural declines go, it's all quite vague. But AVs are still in the model. Direct Line's top line, for example, is assumed to climb 2.5 per cent a year until 2034 and fall 2 per cent a year thereafter.The level of adoption is a significant variable. A 2023 report by McKinsey suggested advanced driver-assistance systems and fully autonomous cars "could create $300bn-400bn" in global revenues by 2035. However, this estimate isn't the quantum leap it first looks like. This year, the report assumes the market will hit between $70bn and $100bn, based on current sales of what its authors refer to as level one (driver assistance) and level two (partial driving automation) systems.But it is the so-called level three (conditional driving automation) and four (high driving automation) systems where McKinsey expects all the growth to occur. That's despite a cloudy demand picture: while most drivers say they would pay a significant premium for fully autonomous features, only around a quarter report to being ready to make the switch.For its part, Aviva argues the road to full automation will be long, giving it years to adapt. Is this watch-and-wait stance sensible? Henry Heathfield, an insurance analyst at Morningstar, thinks that while "the big picture headline of [AVs] is concerning...the reality is quite different"."Even if auto manufacturers have the capacity to roll out fully autonomous self-driving cars, how many people will actually have the money to buy these?" he asks, pointing to the manufacturing and affordability challenges created by the rise of electric vehicles.Heathfield also flags the unresolved question of social acceptance, and the preparedness of consumers, fellow road users and car manufacturers to move away from the status quo. Though he expects active driving and assistance features to proliferate, improving safety and fuel efficiency, he believes it is "only in a fully autonomous world...where we lose private insurance".But might insurance take a knock somewhere earlier on that journey? Tom Bateman, an insurance equities analyst at Mediobanca, says that investors are already asking about the sector's long-term viability, not least because driving safety has been steadily improving for several years.If such modest uptake of the technology is already having an impact, this begs the question: might higher-level automation lead to a snowball effect on road safety and adoption, even if released at limited scale? While we're straying into hypotheticals, could huge breakthroughs elsewhere in the world force policymakers' hands in the UK? What if China floods the market with cheap, AV-ready products? Would civil society put up with the personal and economic cost of the 30,000 killed and serious injured each year if (and it's a big if) there was a market fix?For Heathfield, obstacles include inertia, the speed of regulatory change, and the costs of widespread implementation. "It probably took around 25 years for seat belts to become mandatory," he notes. "And although largely absent until the 1980s, airbags still aren't mandatory." How much road?Motor insurers are confident their model will dominate for decades to come.There is plenty of logic to this view. Until we get full AV adoption, the concept of driver liability will endure. Even if adoption proves rapid, cars will still need insuring against theft, non-driving related damage, no-fault claims, and maintenance. The sector also has plenty of lobbying power to shape favourable legislation and regulation.Indeed, the role of regulation helps to explain why Aviva is keen to grow its market share. Tougher oversight of ancillary products has squeezed smaller players, boosting the position of larger incumbents. In turn, greater scale means more efficient and effective pricing.This informational asymmetry, whereby a seller has a far better grasp of a product's value than its buyer, is a big reason why personal line insurance is profitable. But in a future in which the main counterparties are car manufacturers or fleet owners, it's much harder to see the appeal to underwriters. Product liability insurance is notoriously challenging work.The rise of AVs is a trend whose effects are impossible to call. Clearly, its development has long been over-hyped, evoking the American scientist Roy Amara's observation that "we tend to overestimate the effect of a technology in the short run and underestimate the effect in the long run".But there is very little consensus, even on a five-year view, as to when the technology will start to make itself felt. On balance, this probably means this particular investment risk facing Aviva already a well-diversified business can be reduced to a rounding error, for now at least. |
Productivity is mentioned a lot, but not clear on the details. The finger often points at governments and investment, but perhaps its us that need to change attitudes and pull our fingers out. |
Also share price hovering around 10 year high ... |
Yield now hovering around 6.5%. |
Makes you proud to be British eh! |
...'We've had a long period now of broadly stable rates' |
"I don't understand why Pension Fund equity investement should be invested in line with world market ratios.....when Pension Funds liabilities are in £ Sterling" |
Makinbucks |
On the various, generally negative comments about Reeve's comments on pensions, I agree that for Defined Benefit Schemes which are almost wholly in run off what is required is a high degree of liability matching. Whether that is done with Gilts or SWAPS is broadly the same thing at the end of the day. The Government doesn't expect change in that area. Where I think she has a point is in DC schemes bearing in mind everyone in employment has such an arrangement unless they have opted out. Typically these are invested passively and the equity portion is allocated in line with world market ratios. I think the UK market is around 3% of global equity markets so the investment going into UK shares is very small. I think it is reasonable to look to increase that percentage in return for the tax relief you get on your contributions. The same is true for ISA's. They could , in my view, look to double or even treble the demand for UK shares over (say) a decade. That in turn would increase liquidity in the London market and create a healthier IPO environment for private companies |
exp1ress |
Thanks Glasgow.So with AV at 513 that makes .2867 shares =147.07p plus 129.7p cash = 276.77p.So why are DLG shares stuck around 268p? Just a bit confusing especially if AV continues to rise. |
Type | Ordinary Share |
Share ISIN | GB00BPQY8M80 |
Sector | Insurance Carriers, Nec |
Bid Price | 500.80 |
Offer Price | 501.00 |
Open | 506.80 |
Shares Traded | 8,482,348 |
Last Trade | 16:29:46 |
Low - High | 500.20 - 507.80 |
Turnover | 41.43B |
Profit | 1.09B |
EPS - Basic | 0.4052 |
PE Ratio | 12.36 |
Market Cap | 13.58B |
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