Atome Share Discussion Threads

[mcunliffe1] 05/4/2024 13:37

Good question i-wil.

I invested a small amount about 2 years back and a further small amount in July 2023. I do not intend to add to those holdings but equally, and in spite of Peter Levine, I will not sell them yet.

As regards PL's minimal impact I'd like to believe there is a director of Atome who is making some impact. It is all far too slow for my liking. I've said this before and other posters have provided valid excuses for the delays. But I feel they are just that - excuses.

I'm from an I.T. background where progress is measured in days and not quarters of the year. Exactly how difficult is it to get machinery out to Villetta? If it is indeed difficult for logistic rather than money reasons, then surely it will be equally difficult to get the fertiliser produced out of Villetta to the world markets.

[investorwil] 05/4/2024 13:02

Has anyone sold because of Peter Levine's involvement here?

I'm hoping he has minimal impact with Atome as I still have shares here, but I'm worried he's going to do a MEN here as well!

[pjohn1985] 04/4/2024 06:39

"as stated since, engineering has taken more time than expected and created knock on effects across the financing and the offtake"

I have just checked back through all of the company releases since January and can't find any statements telling investors of engineering delays or the knock on impacts.

[gowise] 03/4/2024 15:58

From LinkedIn:
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Olivier Mussat • Following • Following CEO of ATOME
Although linkedin is not quite the right forum to discuss investor questions, I d be remiss not to respond to @ matt phillips who asked a question on another post "When will atome be announcing progress at Villeta. Investors were promised FEED and FID in Q3 2023. We were then promised Offtake in Q1 2024. Here we are in Q2 and none of this has yet materialised. "

Dear Matt, you are correct that we have been delayed in our original program, and as stated since, engineering has taken more time than expected and created knock on effects across the financing and the offtake. And whilst we are now nearing the end of FEED of Villeta, we are in parallel negotiating both the EPC contract and offtake in order to achieve the best possible outcome for the project and all ATOME shareholders.

Rest assured we are not sitting idle on our hands and doing our utmost in creating a first in kind green fertilizer project that will become a blueprint."

[mcunliffe1] 03/4/2024 13:25

I also - in my three grandkid's trust funds. Approx. 870 in total. A very small amount in the great scheme of things.

[chris cat] 03/4/2024 13:19

I still hold a tiny few

[chris cat] 03/4/2024 13:18

Mcunliffe.....I sold my "Free" ATOM shares at around £1.40 after the initial spike, I simply had to see some return for all of my years of pain at MEN, It is perhaps the only good decision that I have made with an individual share in 10 years. Sadly it was tiny fraction of my MEN holding.

[mcunliffe1] 03/4/2024 12:24

This recent situation with MEN and perhaps the one looming at ATOM has caused me to look at things slightly differently.

First though, I take it as a badeg of honour to be down-ticked and laugh at the timidity, nay, cowardice of such down-tickers who cannot stand their ground and justify why they think my opinion is tosh.

However, ATOM was initially intent upon producing Hydrogen and then switched to produce fertiliser. When I say produce I really mean to INTEND to produce.

The video of Olivier explaining how there's a potential market for fertiliser in Europe especially with expected levies on non-green, imported fertiliser really impressed me. He's a smart fellow.

Now I see there's a polyhalite mine operating under the Yorskhire coastline and extending out under the North Sea. ICL own and operate the mine. It is the ONLY such mine in the world at the moment.

The output is green, very, very effective for grass and turf but also a good substitute for other traditional fertilisers. Should the EU slap punitive tariffs on imported non-green fertiliser then I believe Polyhalite out of the Yorkshire mine would compete very favourably with the product ATOME may well produce by end of 2026 and need to ship to Europe at approx. $100 a ton in transport fees.

That aspect is now very much a red warning for me with regard to Atome's possible success.

[chris cat] 03/4/2024 09:42

MCUnliffe...for background...I made a good return on IEC in mid 00s...another PL company, I subsequently followed him to MEN, haven't given back all of my mid 00s gains but a good slug of them. Unfortunately I have similar experiences with other AIM companies, thankfully with smaller amounts so have promised myself that I will never buy another AIM share. Recently came across the term "Lifestyle company".. effectively BOD's just keep raising funds either by Placings/loans, just long enough to keep themselves employed on good salaries....with the never ending promise of Jam tomorrow.
Perhaps the worst thing that happened to me was doing well (by complete luck) made me think it was easy and I've lost ever since. Will be sticking to pooled funds in future.

[mcunliffe1] 03/4/2024 09:07

cc: thanks for the clarification. To answer your initial question; I have not come across something like this before. Ineptitude - often. PL's style - never.

I posted a few weeks back about my mistrust of PL. A 'gut' feel more than a technical determination.

[chris cat] 03/4/2024 08:29

Mcunliffe...Have you ever come across a situation where a company proposing something this radical has ever been voted down? My guess is that it is already well and truly sewn up. He is lawyer to trade, I can't remember the specifics but I do know that as part of the disposal of MEN's assets to PL's private company he securitised MEN's holding in ATOME. There were intercompany loans both ways between his private entity and MEN with the private entity owning more to MEN than MEN owed to it, however (and as always happens in these situations) he was able to tie everything up in his favour.
Perhaps this is one for the MEN board rather an ATOME but thought I'd just answer here for simplicity.

[mcunliffe1] 03/4/2024 08:00

As I understand matters re. MEN (and I may be wrong because I often am) they need 75% of the votes to de-register the AIM listing. I read that they have about 30% for definite. His purchase of over 260,000 shares at 7p a pop helps further towards that 75%.

Now, it could be that more couldn't be purchased easily at a low price, or, he didn't need to purchase any more as he's already at 75% (and lied about the 30%), or, he's intending buying more (or his associates will buy for him).

Whilst skimming through the RNS's for ATOM and MEN I came across an interesting little piece: if he's ever kicked out of chairman of MEN a £12 loan from a company that PL controls becomes immed. payable.

I read on a post that he's a lawyer. It shows.

[all in eol] 02/4/2024 19:08

Anyone got any positive spin on todays MEN RNS?

[dake1] 31/3/2024 19:28

Well obviously I think not and let’s be honest with ourselves the writing has been on the wall at MEN for a while. However maybe PL will do the right thing if things develop positively.

[all in eol] 31/3/2024 19:14

Thanks for your detailed reply.
Question is will they try and pinch it from under your nose?

[dake1] 31/3/2024 19:08

Since 2012!!!. I suspect like you I have lost a lot of money on MEN. With hindsight I was somewhat stupid in investing in something so binary. I sold a lot of MEN at the point of consolidation but to this day I still own some which of course are worthless pretty much now. Guess found myself holding on for incremental worker success, the drill in Paraguay, MEN holding in Atome and possible additional spin offs. I am aware of PL call on MENS Atome holding.PL is a lawyer so he knows what he can and cannot do. Who do we blame?, PL ,ourselves .....luck!!.
I'll agree to his terms even though I understand that my rights are not as strong within a private company and give him the benefit of the doubt to do the right thing if value is created.
Atome was always a let's run with it and see what transpires however when they came up with the fertiliser decision everything changed and it suddenly looked very very interesting.
Now at this point technically Atome is still a binary trade but unlike a 20% COS with an oil drill Atome in my opinion has a 90% COS. As a plc company what it is trying to do is in the public domain and yes there are a number of companies around the world trying to copy what Atome is doing. Plagiarism is the highest form of flattery??.
So the cheapest electricity in the world (base load), the sub station is on the their perimeter and their customers can be thrown the fertiliser over the fence!!!!.
The question is if Atome cannot make this work you tell me who can.

The answer is no one.

Yes I have a reasonable position in this stock

[all in eol] 31/3/2024 17:39

Dake1
You have been around MEN and ATOM a while looking at your posts. Take a look at what’s happened with MEN, have a look at the RNSs again. Does it make you feel comfortable with your ATOM investment?
I’ve no idea how it will turn out but surely you need to have a think?

[dake1] 31/3/2024 16:56

Just don’t listen to this rubbish MEN shareholders are all bitter and twisted at the moment

[vatnabrekk] 31/3/2024 14:29

Why would they want to delist?

[brasso3] 31/3/2024 10:09

I suspect they will try and delist ATOM before the end of the year. I wonder what tools they will use to depress the share price first:-
- High interest loans
- Consolidation
- Placings

[mcunliffe1] 30/3/2024 12:14

I can appreciate that AiE.
My grandkid's small stakes are still in the game though. So I will be keeping this thread on my email alert list.

Have a pleasant Easter All in Eol - and thanks for creating this thread in the first place.

[all in eol] 30/3/2024 11:48

My hearts no longer in it.

[mcunliffe1] 30/3/2024 09:16

AiE: Why? Create another thread that is.

[all in eol] 29/3/2024 22:19

I think it’s time someone created another thread.

[all in eol] 29/3/2024 21:33

No more support for MEN from the institutional shareholders whilst they remain listed. Wonder what Schroders are thinking after increasing stake in Atome a listed company.
From a Pi point of view it’s not very good?