Tersus Energy Share Discussion Threads

[bronek1959b] 24/3/2008 12:58

8trader.agree with you that a few posters pump and dump stocks and the same names crop up time and time again .however i have a little confidence that this company is not yet dead and buried and is at a low share price at present and perhaps does not deserve to have been hit so hard ,of course time will tell and its a case of watch this space.

[bronek1959b] 24/3/2008 07:32

darola .agree .

[darola] 23/3/2008 22:03

30 people have rated this stock a buy in the last month - Chancer isn't on his own here.....

[chancer6] 23/3/2008 17:22

Trading statement is due and then Finals in June! Also, about time the sale of Navitas if be on its own is announced. They were looking for 2 million for it and even a 1 million fire sale (which one would least expect considering the levels of turnover and profits the subsidary is making) would be equivalent to 4p on the share price. Not to forget flogging off Envinta which should be profitable now as well.

[bronek1959b] 23/3/2008 16:42

don,t know much about chancer but he is certainly trying his best to promote this stock for whatever reason.reality is that this company has some investments and we will find out when results are published whether or not those investments are dogs or winners and pg sees some good in them or why invest .anyone know when results are due.?

[the_professor] 23/3/2008 12:14

Chancer if you're looking for a nice stock to pump have a look at PPA (Pan Pacific)

[chancer6] 22/3/2008 09:19

I was right back in November stating that Mr Peter G would provide some kind of loan to the company. IMO if the market continues not to put a value on the business and if there is no MBO then Mr Peter G might just buy up the rest of the company for a very cheap price around 4p.

He's a shrewd man who's got a reputation for investing in distressed companies where he sees the potential for significant returns.

He's happy to provide any cash as emergency funding and help in assets disposals by providing ideas. Fits the bill perfectly for Tersus Energy!



And might try and get a seat on the board as shown in this example:

"The management, with 'inspirational' Swede Peter Gyllenhammer as deputy chairman and 'ideas man', buys into undervalued, asset-backed companies with a view to buying them or helping to realise their cash".

[tiredoldbroker] 21/3/2008 19:53

And that, in brief, is the only reason Chancre is pumping this stock: not because s/he believes there is any fundamental good news to come, but because it is a micro cap, with a high percentage of the shares in issue apparently tied up, and so s/he hopes to be able to buy a few shares, ramp the stock up, and get out on your backs for a pathetic couple of hundred quid profit, leaving you holding an illiquid share, with doubtful prospects, which you can only get out of at a loss.

Caveat emptor.

[chancer6] 21/3/2008 18:32

In the absence of news all the major shareholders have still all held strong...in most cases holders from the 36p prices.

Number of shares in issue: 38,046,376

Peter Gyllenhammar 7,000,000 18.4%

(From website)

Moore Clayton and Co 6,888,496 18.11%
Morley Fund Management 2,871,098 7.55%
TT International Invertment Management 2,777,778 7.30%
AXA Framlington Investment Management 2,722,222 7.16%
Presbury Investments Holdings Limited 2,207,332 5.80%
Artemis Investment Management 1,799,440 4.73%
Steve Levine 1,783,702 4.69%
Hargreave Hale & Co 1,543,498 4.06%

(From last year's final results)

Directors:
J F Devaney 133,333 0.35%
A R Moore 1,084,998 2.85%
S J Clayton 1,084,998 2.85%
K I Denos 652,694 1.72%
S P Levine 1,793,102 4.71%
D T Wilson 147,271 0.39%

Around 90% of the total number of shares in issue in the hands of holders - not including retail investors. Leaving a free float of just 3 million shares.

[chancer6] 21/3/2008 10:55

Chief executives look at management buyouts

By Ben Bland
Last Updated: 12:11am GMT 19/03/2008

'Behind closed doors, frustrated executives often brag that "if the market doesn't start valuing my company correctly soon, I'll just buy it back". Now, an increasing number of management teams are putting their money where their mouth is'.

[bronek1959b] 20/3/2008 17:32

patience !

[chancer6] 20/3/2008 14:05

A few buys today..volume slowly increasing in the past wk.

[tiredoldbroker] 20/3/2008 10:14

Can we knock on the head the particularly stupid idea that an AIM listing is somehow worth a great deal of money.

It doesn't cost that much to get a company listed on AIM. You can find a copy of the rules on the London Stock Exchange site. All companies on or heading for AIM must have a Nominated Adviser, and a company Broker. That's an annual cost, but with no "sign up" fee, and no cheaper for a company already quoted than for a possible new applicant. So no saving there.

In the event of a reverse takeover (i.e. the AIM co buying a private business bigger than itself, or resulting in a change in voting control), Rule 14 specifies that the AIM co's shareholders have to agree the deal at an EGM (an extra cost which a straight float wouldn't carry); the co must issue a new Admission Document (same expense as a new float); and trading of the shares on AIM is cancelled, with the enlarged business having to make a fresh application for admission, just like a company floating for the first time.

So no savings on anything there either !

Given that any company heading for AIM must have a broker, that the broker will have clients with whom shares could be placed if required, and that one of the duties of the broker to an AIM company is to maintain a market in the company's shares even if there are no registered market makers, there is no value in the "shell" company having an existing list of shareholders or a market in its shares. Indeed, as market makers can drop out at any time without giving a reason, there's no value attached, and a register of many small shareholders may well be seen as an expensive and pointless overhead.

Yet somehow, some people try to promote the idea that an AIM listing has a huge value attached to it. This is utter nonsense, and the only reason for promoting the idea is to try to inflate the value of a stock which has little else to be said in its favour.

[double6] 20/3/2008 07:57

Which would suggest that the bottom is NOT made now ??

[chancer6] 19/3/2008 21:34

Looks like bottom made here now...can still buy at mid-price though.

[asparks] 19/3/2008 12:28

energi - get some decent charts in the header. All your threads have these hopeless charts. (Thanks)

[double6] 18/3/2008 21:38

LOL - good to have you back smiler - missing you on the LNX / DNK threads (etc)

[bronek1959b] 18/3/2008 21:17

THE FUTURE FOR TERSUS COULD BE VERY GOOD .DEPENDS ON WHAT MR GLYDENHAMMER HAS IN HIS PLANS .HE SURE MUST HAVE SOMETHING IN THE COMPANY THAT TAKES HIS FANCY AND HE HAS BACKED IT UP WITH QUITE A BIT OF HIS OWN HARD EARNED.SPARE CASH AND PATIENCE ISA WHAT IS NEEDED HERE .GOOD LUCK.

[amt39] 18/3/2008 20:24

if you buy 200,000 shares at 2p ... only £4k worth.... the mm's will put this up to 2p - 3p.... try it.
When the net asset value is realised ( £5 million ) less the loan we should make some good returns

[chancer6] 18/3/2008 20:21

*Net assets of #5.08 million - take out 2 million for goodwill and intangibles and even then the net assets figure would come to #3.08 million. With 38 million shares in issue that would equate to a share price of around 10 pence!!!

The current mkt capt only puts value on the AIM listing despite having significant assets and not including goodwill/intangibles.

[seanmiller] 18/3/2008 15:32

shame cos I made some money on Tersus (see posts back in Nov/Dec),and the NAV is higher than the MKT Cap. It's about time a statement was put out. I would invest, but I'm all ties up in TMP lol (although now RVD has re-listed and not done much might think about somehting more interesting to get stuck in to)

Price down again, may have a pop at these later in week.

[iantc] 18/3/2008 14:01

got a feeling she has not got her free l2 anymore lol