Stilo Share Discussion Threads

[clocktower] 23/6/2016 09:05

LOL mud - One buy of 55k -Strong demand, pull the other one.

[mudbath] 23/6/2016 08:51

The strong demand for Stilo International shares this morning could preface a move upwards in the share price(or two).

[stilolosses] 22/6/2016 15:09

Clock even when they do issue the options and fill their boots I have no issues with that as long as they create real shareholder value all round. As long as they fill the boots of all the shareholders and don't just fill their own boots, load their own bank accounts, rip everybody else and then sell out and shut shop.

[clocktower] 22/6/2016 11:06

Spot on SL- If they set options at 150p+ then they would be entitled to them imo but at the levels they are from where they have been, shows them for what seems to be the one for all but all the more for me policy.

[stilolosses] 22/6/2016 10:47

My understanding is in total there are about 15 million share options that are out there currently.

Some posters will tell you that it does not matter how many share options are out there, be it 5 million, 15 million or 500 million options. They are well deserved no matter what. Everybody is expected to be in agreement that management are entitled to whatever they award themselves. Management have done such a great, wonderful and fantastic job and they only have the shareholders interests at heart.

We all know those fat sausages that pay themselves nil in wages but make up for it massively through expenses, costs, dividends and everything else. In the present era it is so, so easy to hold a position and on paper you do not pay yourself much but what you get in total by other means is much, much, much greater.

Management have done a good job to date but it does not matter what they have done in the past what matters is what they are going to do now and in the future.

At the moment they are doing a good job. Not a wonderful and great job. The share price has only recently moved to around the 6 pence mark having come down from around 150 pence and remaining around the 2 and 3 pence mark for 15 plus years.

As a shareholder I will certainly give credit where it is due and to date management have done a good job. Is it complete? Is it done? Absolutely not. Far from it. A lot more needs to be done to create shareholder value. A lot more. Some folks may want to sing and dance that at 6 pence but that's only about 5% of what they need to achieve.

We are all expected to just nod our heads in agreement, stand up and clap as loudly as we can and agree with whatever management do, even if they continue to award themselves option after option. It does not matter if this dilutes existing shareholder value. Tough luck pal!!!

I expect the company to make better revenue and better profits but on a much larger scale. To date they only generate £1.5 million revenues and £270k or thereabout profits. I expect them to generate a lot, lot more. They have had about 15 or 20 years to do it. Some shareholders may think that the current levels are absolutely great and wonderful. Certainly not me. Lets not think that those rosy days are here yet. It's happening slowly but it needs to happen a lot faster and on a much bigger scale.

Going forward, we will see how the company ends up. Does shareholder value prevail or does the company management do exactly what most companies do at this stage and shut up shop, fill their boots, take the readies and damn with the shareholders. Now that would be a kick in the teeth but some posters would still celebrate the great work that management did by bringing the share price back up from the 1, 2 and 3 pence levels where it should never had in the first place.

Lets hope that the recent purchases that Ashman has made serve to create a lot more value for shareholders and not to line his own pockets like a lot of these so called fat sausages have done over and over again.

[clocktower] 22/6/2016 08:05

mud, not that I am suggesting that the directors are acting in an underhand manner, many companies boards have been know to gain the confidence of stakeholders only to ensure they feather their own families beds and leave a few crumbs of comfort for those that have supported them for many years, as they seem to come to the conclusion that they have done more than their share and should be royally rewarded when the goal posts come into sight.

[michaelmouse] 22/6/2016 07:10

mudbath - Exactly. Another reason why I like this company.

[mudbath] 21/6/2016 20:59

The (stable)directorate could have bled this company dry,many times over,via salary greed etc.They did not;nor has there been any dilution of note.
IBM are using STL software at enterprise level and this could well be the validation that other global corporates will take note of.

[clocktower] 21/6/2016 20:16

Which in turn mm will dilute stakeholders investments further, and that will not be a positive but as you suggest likely, in addition by doing so will benefit themselves further by receipt of income on dividends on those shares and dilute further any possible dividend increase that stakeholders that do not draw a salary and have options that enhance the package can take advantage of. Hence it is unlikely that we will see any great increase in the share price unless the directors want to cash in imo.

[michaelmouse] 21/6/2016 18:08

Les Burnham has 6,600,000 options at 3.75p. I've absolutely no doubt that he'll buy his 2,600,000 shares back (and more) in due course.

Ashman doesn't have options and has just topped up his holding by 700,000 shares paying £40,200.

Ashman owns 18.59% of the share capital, and Burnham owns 4.45% with a further 5.87% in share options. Quite a commitment I'd suggest.

I'd also suggest Ashman's purchase holds greater significance at this juncture.

[clocktower] 21/6/2016 17:39

To remind any followers again:
"Stilo International PLC Monday said Chief Executive Officer Les Burnham sold 2.6 million shares at 5.25 pence per share Friday."

If the sale was to a connected party as mud has guessed or hinted as the case maybe, then there may well be more to this than meets the eye - maybe a special dividend being considered in the not to distant future - " A Windfall" I guess you could say.

If this was the case it could be a sale for tax reasons. Not moral is it, trying to defeat the tax man. :-)

[clocktower] 21/6/2016 17:39

double post deleted.

[mudbath] 21/6/2016 17:26

Indeed you were michaelmouse !

Things have got to be tasty for Ashman to keep adding at these higher levels when he had already acquired 3,002,000 ordinary shares of 1p each in Stilo at an average price of just 2.19 pence per share earlier last year.

Not much market reaction so far to these expressions of confidence.
Maybe tomorrow ?

[michaelmouse] 21/6/2016 16:49

Well I was correct. Ashman was the purchaser of another 200,000 shares at 5.85p. See post 1549.



That's another £11,700 worth and a cumulative 700,000 shares or just over £40,000.

[clocktower] 21/6/2016 16:24

LOL - not a windfall until cashed in is it not mud.

[mudbath] 21/6/2016 16:22

SP up, on or without a bid,hence an "upcoming windfall", looks the likely scenario to me clocktower.
We shall see in the fullness of time.
The chart though continues to reflect a steadily climbing valuation.

[clocktower] 21/6/2016 15:50

mud, you seem to suggest you have knowledge of a reason that would lead to the directors and stakeholders receiving a windfall before very long.

[mudbath] 21/6/2016 14:52

I would imagine that Les Burnham's shares,whilst "sold",remain either within the family or very close to it.
Imo,the CEO and Ashman fully deserve their upcoming windfalls,as do we supportive shareholders.
Bring it on !!

[clocktower] 21/6/2016 14:41

Why is he buying in the market a very small amount compared to his fellow director who was selling and at a much lower figure?

Smells a little odd maybe!! Assume nothing.

[firth] 21/6/2016 14:02

This is obviously brilliant for share holders. The chairman to show such confidence in the company is fantastic.
What are the rules re insider trading? This is a guess. As long as there is no bid,and its not in the closed period. No problem. Am I right?

[michaelmouse] 21/6/2016 13:37

Another delayed trade for 200,000 shares reported at 5.85p. What are the chances that it's Ashman buying again?

[michaelmouse] 21/6/2016 13:09

Ashman (Chairman) has increased his holding again with another 300,000 shares costing £17,250. Encouraging to see him spend around £30,000 in the past few days, topping up his already substantial holding in the open market (18.42%)

[stilolosses] 20/6/2016 18:38

DONE DEAL whether it is imminent, in 6 months or in a year or 2. Put your house on it. This has happened numerous times before with all kinds of companies before and will continue to happen in the future.

Mr Ashman will ONLY be concerned about HIS own interest. If I was in his position I would do the same. The only sorry thing is that those investors who have been sitting around for some time will be short changed.

[firth] 20/6/2016 16:19

Well it would not be the worst thing in the world.If you are right BB. David Ashman's valuation would be critical.

[bronco buster] 20/6/2016 10:40

Recent large options for the CEO and others + current market activity could well be signalling that this company is about be bid for.