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[peterreidsmith] 28/5/2001 11:46

I guess it's true: ultimately, people get the government they deserve.

[deltawhy] 28/5/2001 11:10

250 people. How many days of smoking deaths is that? Or might that be hours?

[sloaney] 28/5/2001 11:09

seems little point in bringing electioneering issues into the BSE, Dioxin, foot and Mouth issues to me.
Voting Tory does not clean the water table not will voting labour or Democrats or SNP.
If it can only be cleaned up- and badly- by politicians, give them shovels and gloves and get them all to dig up the unburned caracasses and burn them now. After all there are about 20,000 going round doors and canvassing, give them a real useful task- and Two Jags , Blair and Haig, and that Widdicome could do with a bit of useful exercise
Hector.
ps
( this handle Says 'Sloaney' - but its really old Hector, in case you see 'Sloaney' again).

[peterreidsmith] 28/5/2001 10:58

Hmmm....

W.a.t.e.r s.u.p.p.l.y

1 in 200,000.

See header.

IMHO.

[hilda] 28/5/2001 10:24

liitle tyke, no butcher has ever got cjd thing, so you must be in a LOW risk group?
I agree evidence that vCJD comes through the accepted route is only what they can call 'most likely guess', therefore I would not worry. I reckon it doesn't come from cattle at all. The french ate far more of our 'high risk' cattle than we evr did, with a far lower incidence of vCJD, which strikes me as pretty conclusive.
As for the milk business, it just sounds like more of the nonsense designed to put people off our farm produce, close down the industry.
As for giving Tony Blair credit for getting things going on FMD, can we also give him credit that when he said the whole business should be played down, was under control, no need for army to get involved etc, then very little happened, army were not used etc. Good to know someones in charge!

[peterreidsmith] 28/5/2001 09:30

LIttle Tyke - nice to see you have a phd; I only got as far as a 1st myself.

I'm not sure what's more worrying; BSE in the water supply, or the fact that it wasn't reported in the news...

IMHO.

[a.fewbob] 26/5/2001 12:20

MY GOD!!!

I really wish I had never opened up this thread.
We live in a land where faceless nameless blunderers are ruining our lives and the sad fact is, the ones responsible will never pay foe their mistakes. A labour motto I think.

peterreidsmith, you talk much sense.

[little tyke] 26/5/2001 00:22

BSE caused by tory blunders!

[peterreidsmith] 26/5/2001 00:18

"
LONDON (AFX) - The government's top BSE adviser has warned of the dangers of
drinking tap water near foot-and-mouth burial sites, the BBC reported.
Professor Peter Smith estimates the risk of developing the human form of
BSE, known as CJD, through contaminated water could be as high as one in
200,000, in burial pits where older cattle have not first been incinerated, the
Express newspaper also reported.
ims/shw
"

Good old Labour, huh -as usual they really thought that one through. Never mind the dioxide risk which is enough for the Dutch not to even consider open-air burning, but they didn't even stop to consider the BSE implications on the water table.

VOTE THESE GUYS OUT.

IMHO.

[superpete] 25/5/2001 18:24

Reports on evening news of problems with diary milk produced near to foot and mouth burial sites being contaminated with dioxins!

[spongy2] 25/5/2001 18:07

Little tyke, what are the initial symptoms apart from shakin, are there any mental manifestations such as radical toryism, tunnel vision,. frothing etc,? if so i think i may have just had some sufferers at my door asking futilely for help.

[gurlywurly] 25/5/2001 14:41

Did anyone see that TV programme a few months back about this farmer-turned-researcher who had been confronting the government scientists and their BSE theories? He started out on the organophosphate route but had then found from his studies in BSE-affected areas around the world (and including in Queneborough, Leics, where we have had a cluster of cases) what looked like pretty conclusive evidence of BSE proliferation in areas of high manganese mineralisation in the soil accompanied by (I think it was from memory) low levels of copper. It has taken him years to get anyone to listen and he has had his research sabotaged and his farm damaged along the way (by whom, I wonder?), but he now seems to have found a growing following amongst more open-minded scientists who are taking his research seriously.

[peterreidsmith] 25/5/2001 14:41

spongy2: it's an interesting philosphical question, you are right: is it better to be content in your delusion or face the horror of reality.

Lucky I don't have to worry about unemployment.

[On the farmer thingy yes: what he finally uncovered was that copper defiency -and in particular in high areas of manganese - causes significantly greater risk/suseptibility. Maganese...hmmm...like in mineral water and vegetables etc.]

Forget pension contributions and school fees - you might as well start spending.

IMHO.

[spongy2] 25/5/2001 14:35

prs,
Just as well you did'nt you'd still be unemployed..heh!

[mr.elbee] 25/5/2001 14:29

There is an incredible theory which the mad economists have called property rights [Coase 1960]....this geezer said we can sue polluters.A few test cases
here or there might concentrate the govs mind.Beer producers?Fizzy pop producers?The possibilities are endless.

[peterreidsmith] 25/5/2001 13:42

Mr. Elbee - sad int it.
I almost stood at the last election you know...then I thought: naw.

[mr.elbee] 25/5/2001 13:36

prs.....you're right but flogging a dead horse.The public are irredeemably stupid.We're doomed.

[peterreidsmith] 25/5/2001 13:32

OK, then forget it: eat, drink and be mad.
Lose every following generation of your family.
Ignore the fact that this will hardly be reported in the press (new labour control them too much) or discredited, and simply do nothing.

It must all seem so easy to them: a little TV; a little SUN headline; a few sound-bites repeated ad-nausium.

Oh well.