Victoria Share Discussion Threads

[shiftytherat] 19/10/2023 15:56

Wirecard was the same. Short sellers and their chums, like the Financial Times, would spread malicious misinformation based on stuff like facts and documents. This would send the stock spiralling downwards, but it would soon bounce back as the smart investors piled in, hoovering it up on the dips. Worked out brilliantly if you ignored all the warnings signs.

[black boulder] 19/10/2023 13:52

The share price is certainly being manipulated all right, by the short-sellers. Institutional investors don’t manipulate share prices. Short-sellers manipulate share prices. That’s what they do. Load up their positions, starting the downward momentum, then release bogus reports and trolls to spread malicious rumours and misinformation. We have seen all this before, several times now, and each time the share price has eventually recovered when the short-sellers have to start buying back.

[wiseacre] 18/10/2023 18:11

Fine example of manipulation of the share price at the close as so often.

[smackeraim] 18/10/2023 10:58

Turning again. Some big prints appeared delayed after close yesterday. Might have been last of something? Time will tell I guess

[wiseacre] 17/10/2023 09:29

Geof Wilding through his family trust did hold 20% of the equity. If he is under margin pressure that could account for much of the recent fall.

[wiseacre] 17/10/2023 09:28

Geof Wilding through his family trust did hold 20% of the equity. If he is under margin pressure that could account for much of the recent fall.

[wiseacre] 17/10/2023 09:28

Geof Wilding through his family trust did hold 20% of the equity. If he is under margin pressure that could account for much of the recent fall.

[bouleversee] 16/10/2023 20:16

Kaffee 2574

Ae you sure about that Kaffee? I'm surprised that that could be the case. I should have thought wealth would have to be proven before a guarantee would be accepted and a
non-contributing partner would not have equal rights. Something to look into and warn them about before they get to the house-hunting stage.

However, back to today, why has VCP bombed when the market is up? The only advantage of having a large number of holdings is that the gains usually cancel out the losses and one still gets some income to spend or gift.

[bda3490] 16/10/2023 18:49

Obviously other people’s money is wasted easily if you are a guarantor of no means

[kaffee] 16/10/2023 16:31

>>>>bouleversee16 Oct '23 - 12:33 - 2573 of 2573

Look at it like this... you could gift the grandkids all that you want, and after 6 months in a relationship that goes belly up.... the other party is entitled to half. And the yoof these days are so fickle in their ways of love !!!

You'd be better just acting as guarantor of a loan, get them leveraged up to the eyeballs and hope the property market comes back... only really get rich with other peoples money.

[bouleversee] 16/10/2023 12:33

bulltradept -

I have never risked a large percentage of my pot on any one share so overall I am still in profit but that means too many holdings to monitor adequately and I have sometimes added when a price has dropped, going by faulty auditors reports (e.g. with Carillion) or analysts recommendations, so there are sufficient losses to cause my overall profit to be quite a small percentage of the total sum invested over a long period and the dividends have taken hits in recent years as well.

There was a time, many years ago, when I regularly made a total return of around 20% p.a. overall but those days are gone for the reasons mentioned. I'm afraid I don't have time to trade or ability to beat the shorters etc. and there have been rather too many events recently which nobody could have anticipated. Manageable at my age but I do worry about my grandchildren. The shares that I gave them some years ago, including VCP, have ceased to do well in recent years and what I thought would be sufficient for an initial home deposit will not be unless the picture improves substantially, and the poor things will have those horrendous university loans around their necks as well.

Getting back on topic, I really don't know what to make of VCP, which I owned long before Wilding sailed into view. I can only hope things get better and the shorters get their fingers burned.

[sbb1x] 13/10/2023 17:20

New 52 week low

[sbb1x] 12/10/2023 17:09

Short increased yesterday

[sbb1x] 11/10/2023 16:37

Closed at days low 425

[bulltradept] 11/10/2023 11:50

bouleversee,

I take your points completely, perhaps if you do enter the stock market you must ensure you have your position sizing correct, so that if a company's fortunes do go south at a rate, you aren't too badly burned. I.e. no more that 5 05 10% of your total pot invested in any one company. Of course VCP is on AIM, so that's sound advice I'd argue.

[sbb1x] 09/10/2023 16:40

Not many trades for the whole day today

[extrader] 06/10/2023 21:50

.."their plans can be ruined either because senior company directors are egregiously, and in some cases dishonestly, feathering their own nests at the expense of shareholders or shorters are manipulating the share price ..."

I've never shorted, but AIUI sensible shorters only seem to push against open doors :
it's usually not a case of either/or but 'X therefore Y'...

It's called 'price discovery' for a reason.

ATB

[robertball] 06/10/2023 20:27

Best to not get emotionally attached to a share. That's all. Goodnight.

[robertball] 06/10/2023 18:19

Why the emotion. It's only a company and a share is just a piece of paper...

[rotrader] 06/10/2023 18:00

Your repeating yourself and the rhetoric is getting somewhat tedious , same as the rest of you circling Vultures.Leave it out and if you lot ever make money out of companies going to the wall, with all the implications of that , I hope you can rest easy till it's your turn ;-(

[sbb1x] 06/10/2023 17:00

Just read that.

[robertball] 06/10/2023 07:36

Story in FT about Batash Karim