Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[superg1] 04/9/2017 08:19

Shavian

You mentioned batteries and so did the CEO in the VOX interview.

The question was about near term products.

Now as I recall on Cambridge day they listed Tier 1 2 and 3 products to show they were mindful of short term and long term tech.

That represented near term launches, mid term, and long term. Batteries as I recall was not Tier 1 and was down the road.

Hence now it is mentioned as near term I just tried some searched and had never seen that one before.

So on batteries what we know is

From the Nanene site



"Many companies are looking to Graphene enhanced batteries to give the extra energy density they require to power their devices for longer, and to offer faster charging when required. 2-DTech, along with our collaboration partners Warwick Manufacturing Group, have successfully incorporated Nanene into a working supercapacitor system. On the basis of this initial success, we are keen to explore further projects in this field."

We know VRS are in a collaboration with WMG on batteries BUT if you dig you will see other battery names connected.

Then there is an event at WMG re graphene batteries on the 18th of this month under the title of

"Graphene and other 2D Materials - Energy Storage Demonstrator Workshop"

It involves innovateuk too.

Who should attend:
• OEMs, tier 1s, technology developers, end-users, manufacturers, product designers, product managers.

So just my curiosity really as I'd switched off re batteries but they are starting to get a mention.

[warwick69] 04/9/2017 08:16

Yes superg can already see some selling now at 14.55. The news will arrive we just don't know when ! ,

[superg1] 04/9/2017 08:09

Shavian

I asked re the website some time back.

The website is of little interest to customers it was said the only comment they seem to get about it in the main is from investors.

They are over-run with interest so updating the website is well down on the to do list.

On the point of 'investors' most on ADVFN posting are not investors at all and that goes for all shares. Most are simply chase the trend types looking to make a buck and flip it elsewhere wherever the action is.

Near all of them lose cash as a result of that. That's why in general we get share prices flying.

I just looked up sound energy as it was a hot topic some months back. Many encouraging to buy into to when it was 80p plus. My view as posted was that as it was on highs and being pushed by everyone a crash was inevitable. Not due to the business but due to the completely false 'investors'. It's just a case of not knowing at which point in the rise its going to start it's collapse.

I see it hit 90p plus before crashing down to 40p and now on the climb again.


I know there are a few investors here but in my experience now of 8 years of active engagement on this site quite clearly to me the ones demanding news and updates generally are not investors at all just traders, hype chasers, gamblers etc etc. The worst type are those that expose themselves heavily via spread bets. They also tend to be the most vocal when news doesn't come as it can put them in serious financial trouble.

Graphene in share terms hasn't really seen hype stays in the UK as yet but once certain ones start to deliver the interest will come but in that interest there will be some major true investors and `I know the name of one or two of them. They are sat watching from the sidelines and some of those do talk to VRS re progress.

So the moaners and whingers are the instruments of their own destruction when it comes to trading, they ARE NOT investors.

[shavian] 04/9/2017 07:56

That was an interesting post SG1. The text in the company description of Versarien was in the 1st person plural ("we"), implying that the company had issued the description. This seems completely at odds with the company's attitude to PR, where they have not bothered even to update their own two websites since the fund raise in March. It seems odd that VRS should supply this 3rd party tech news blogsite with such an informative and glowing self-description without bothering to update their own sites.

What's going on? Perhaps all will be revealed at the AGM..

[superg1] 03/9/2017 20:00

Just playing around with searches and spotted this.

Has anyone noticed it before.



EG

"With proven test results in carbon fibre composites, polymers, 3d printing materials, batteries and super capacitors through the collaboration with large OEM's and leading universities"

[superg1] 03/9/2017 07:49

Very little volume on the graphene shares but when I look at Cap-xx it shows what can happen on volume.

23 million shares volume over the last 7 trading days and one day in August 18 million shares.

It just shows what happens when the interest comes.

The cap-xx business is supercapacitors. Over the years I have noticed PIs love battery tech type companies.

[superg1] 02/9/2017 07:00

BTW Stig

Graphene didn't attract me to this the heat sinks did. They were not in graphene when I first did my research.

On that point I missed this such is the nature of concentration of graphene here.

I have mentioned them before, Prieto. I know some have taken the P re Prieto batteries but the news on them has been increasing recently.

They got backing from Intel and Stanley black and decker.

Now the point there is copper foam. Long before any of you guys arrived I had made the link between Prieto and VRS. I have no doubt that copper foam early on was supplied by VRS.

To the point. I spotted this news and video, and obviously Prieto have moved onto including flexible batteries too with a copper sponge.

What I don't know is if the VRS Prieto link is still live. As it's still all in the lab there won't have been much action. But it sounds like Prieto are going to start to launch next year.

hxxp://kdvr.com/2017/06/30/new-battery-promises-to-revolutionize-cell-phones-and-more/

[superg1] 02/9/2017 06:43

Just thinking

Perhaps like me Cosayach know what SQM say is BS so they contacted Indmin.

[superg1] 01/9/2017 20:54

Roger

I'm in helping the PRG and legal team. They are keen to learn of other cases lies by companies and nomads. I suggest there is a long list.

So to have case you need evidence. So documentary evidence of reports to the FCA if they do nothing is perfect Imo.

That's why I email them it's all recorded.

Stig

I know one city trader high up and he was paranoid about all records being checked, phone calls and the like. Companies will tell you if the share price moves 20% plus they get a call form the FCA.

So clearly they do something but what it is may be part of bigger picture.

I know as many times I have been stopped doing things as there is something bigger in play. Highly frustrating but at times well worth waiting for.

[rogerbridge] 01/9/2017 20:40

The only way the FCA will tale note is if a number of shafted PI's took out a class action against them.

[the stigologist] 01/9/2017 17:39

The City is based on principles based regulatory regime overseen by themselves... how often do you think self regulators will censor or attack 'their own' on deliberately illdefined broad based principles ?

[phoenixs] 01/9/2017 15:11

Stigoligist, you do come out with some nonsense. Whatever one thinks about the company and sp, at least Superg contributes sensibly and honourably. He may well get things wrong sometimes but never would I criticise his intentions unlike some others who post on the boards.

[the stigologist] 01/9/2017 14:42

You're clever superg but how can people here know whether you're not also clever enough to pull the wool over their eyes? Sometimes some say the worst crooks are the ones who claim to be the Sheriff of NottinghAIM

[the stigologist] 01/9/2017 12:33

I think this means don't trust anything anybody tells you because they are just playing games:-

"

Just for the record on a share years ago I tracked down the seller and then rang those dealing with it as a buyer giving a number I wanted which I knew was above the amount available. As they were not publicly known as the seller they didn't suspect anything.

So the fund guy said he couldn't do that amount so I asked how many he could do, disagreed on the price and left it at that."

[astralvision] 01/9/2017 12:12

sg1, no I'm not and I haven't! End of.

[superg1] 01/9/2017 12:07

Astral

You are way behind in the understanding and have missed the point.

My guess which it is at this time a guess, but based on very good results before is that one fund with the 3 way split is selling out as it has changed direction.

So my guess would be that the relevant section is selling entirely. Then if that is right and you know what they had prior to the notifications which is only a portion of the larger number.

I will work it out.

Just for the record on a share years ago I tracked down the seller and then rang those dealing with it as a buyer giving a number I wanted which I knew was above the amount available. As they were not publicly known as the seller they didn't suspect anything.

So the fund guy said he couldn't do that amount so I asked how many he could do, disagreed on the price and left it at that.

That way I knew how many were left as they had the entire supply.

No need for that here but there are many ways to skin a cat.

The above info may not be right, theory for me suggest it may well be but I'll work on turning theory into fact.

Its pretty simple really it just takes time.

[astralvision] 01/9/2017 11:48

sg1, unless you know the mind of the Fund Manager who is selling down, I'm sorry, but you are guessing.
I don't believe the fund manager would pass on market sensitive information as to exactly what he is doing.
As you say, you may well be able to work-out the likely number of shares left, that's fine and good on you, not rocket science or anything.
That's enough on the subject from me, give me RNS and market data any day.

[superg1] 01/9/2017 11:46

Still sat here as that triggered a thought.

Since the fund transfer yet total held has dropped by just under 2.9 mill. That's 600k more than I thought just minutes ago.

Now it's just case of trying to dig and find out which fund or funds its coming from, then that gives a guide on when it may stop.

[vasilis] 01/9/2017 11:44

When it comes to 'disruptive technology' the clue is in the first word - disruptive - so the path to market is rarely smooth. And graphene is looking to be disruptive (eg conductive inks replacing hard-wiring)- as well as incrementally innovative (eg new rubber-based compounds)- in so many areas.

So I've just revisited an old ASOS BB link - 'ASC - AsSeenOn Screen' created by Wally123 on 26 April 2003. It's worth going through just to see how all kinds of posters - genuine investors to obvious p&d merchants - try to grasp what this truly innovative and disruptive company was up to at the time. I just selected this posting - apologies to barnetpeter who was no doubt genuinely concerned at the time when he posted this - as it shows that any major sell does not necessarily mean that the sell has anything to do with the business itself -

'barnetpeter22 May '03 - 20:07 - 294 of 811 0 0
A million shares were dumped tonight at 4p. I hope your good news is coming quickly. Otherwise 1p by next week is on its way. Think carefully.'

The share price today is around £57........

I'm not saying that VRS is going to do the same as ASC, but the road to mega success for ASOS has been far from smooth and look where they are today. So I think that questions and even scepticism are both healthy and par for the course for VRS, but my past experience tells me that the upside here is potentially huge based on the level of disruption or even incremental innovation that could be created in so many markets. AIMO of course.

[superg1] 01/9/2017 11:34

I don't do guessing. I do all I can to take the guesswork out of it.

While it starts off as theory and guessing I then work on it to find the facts.

Late last year I reported Allianz were selling down before VRS or anyone else knew,. I did the same with others some simply using the the last few figures of their holding and matching it up with late reports.

All of it turned out to be spot re who was selling.

I can't be sure this will go the same route but I'll get there. I have enough city contacts to do it but it takes time.

And here I am still typing then I said I have a fence to sort. So on that point I must get off my backside and get on with it.

[astralvision] 01/9/2017 11:10

sg1
Still all boils down to a guessing game, the best sign ,imo, is when the share price has a sustained rise and any liquidity events are not dampened down by a wave of selling into it.
Each to their own but sometimes, imo, you can have too much 'information', or perhaps I should say give it undue prominence. I much prefer black and white RNS and market action, it's rarely wrong.
Not sure if the comments in your post 5599 are aimed at or include me, no worries either way as I'm more than happy to plough my own furrow and prefer not to have additional 'info' that can often be wrong, misleading and can cloud my thinking.