Where have all the sycophants and rmart etc fan boys gone ?
Just because the company's shares are suspended and are almost certainly worthless, surely
with their years of practice at denying reality they should be telling us how its just a mere bump in
the road and this time next year they are all going to be .....millionaires or something.
Surely they are not seriously realising we were correct all along ? |
-Who would expect such an outcome?
- Anyone with an IQ higher than 30 |
Libot the fat lady is just warming up on her scales. |
Congrats Rmart. Chooo chooo pmsl |
Four weeks and not a squeak from the other thread. TOM has knocked the stuffing out of one or two of the louder voices. The Board now need to get a grip and update the market with what we have always known. |
1d - missed that one! As ever the timing of the final demise of TOM will probably depend on the personal requirements of the Board - not that it will make any difference to the outcome. I suspect Groat will be too shop soiled to pick up any more sinecures.
The only silver lining to this cloud is that capital losses could be more useful under the new government, although that assumes that the gamblers have capital gains outside ISAs to offset. |
TD - don't you mean the 'ex-chairman' of H&W? It would appear Mr Groat was demoted when the new 'Executive Chairman' was appointed last week. Imagine that - chairing two companies that go t-ts up in the same month? At some point you would think he would have to stop pointing the finger at others and instead take a long hard look in the mirror. With regard to shareholders it is indeed surprising that no one is complaining about having been hoodwinked over many years by an inept or worse CEO and board. Of course, there's nothing left to fight over, nor funds to even pay for defense counsel, but it is surprising that no one is looking to hold the board accountable. |
From the DM
"The future of the shipyard that built the Titanic was in doubt last night after Labour prepared to block a £200million lifeline.
Ministers were set to reject Harland & Wolff's request that the Government guarantee a loan to keep it afloat.
Sir Keir Starmer's Government has reportedly decided that it would be an inappropriate use of public funds."
So its a race to see which of the chairman's companies goes into liquidation first.... |
Fenners, just a guess but it will be a delisting first to take the insolvency out of the public glare.
On the basis that we would have heard about it if they did, the company had no key man insurance.
Shareholders get the directors that they deserve. |
2 weeks on
Nothing has happened - or is likely to until someone kills it I guess.
However I do miss being able to give the converse , sensible interpretation to the gamblers.
I say gamblers , if they read what we said then at least they arguably were informed enough to call it a gamble.
However given the idea of trying to censor us from the other thread , some of them may just have been "marks"
Just looks so far as we were 100% correct all along....
again. |
Still not a squeak.
The only question is how long the directors should wait before they deliver the de-listing RNS.
Reichy - perhaps you could make a bit more cash from fellow shareholders by running a sweepstake on the RNS date - just an idea. |
Over a week and not a squeak from the other thread. The BB 'leaders' missing in action. They know the context of the next RNS and it is pointless fretting because the share is untradeable.
The only question is when.
(I have managed to access the website now. No update for the unfortunate circumstances and still the original typos) |
Lopo, narrative companies find the shareholders they want and within the cohort of shareholders there will be those that scam fellow shareholders. Morally it is theft but almost unstoppable in legal terms.
I suspect that if you look at the TOM's shareholder register there will be no institutional investors, ergo it is small shareholders who yet again get stuffed despite the numerous placings by the institutions. |
TD
Why was CE paid such vast sums, likewise the non execs when not a bean has been earned over so many years?
Why did Little and Damac push this investment and suddenly disappear?
Recently there is the tragic and sudden death - in UK or US - in unpublished circumstances. Is this scenario less straightforward to understand than might initially have been thought. After all the promises, what does Vauch think as he is one of many badly affected investors? |
Been a while, but just looked in and saw the news. No 'we told you so' but of course we all did. Genuinely surprised and sorry for the death Mr Potter. A young age but there has been a great deal of 'died suddenly' since 2021. But not the time nor the forum to be considering what may have been the cause. We will never know nor does it really matter, we all must make the fundamental decisions on our lives as we judge as informed as they can be. The story was always going to end with a suspension and delisting. They did well to spin it so long. Unfortunately too many people have been subject to the fraud that is this scam. Millions of PIs' money lost and was never invested just subscribed to a Ponzi scheme. Unfortunate that it has such a human post script to its timing. All quiet next door. |
They've gone bust. Last time I looked they were still showing Potter as a director! |
Has anyone tried to visit the TOMCO website? Only tried a few times over a few days but it has been inaccessible. Have they paid the hosting fee? |
Lopo unless I am missing something I have not seen a cause of death. In my view it is quite a legitimate question but no doubt the normal suspects will use emotion to close down debate.
Going by the other board these questions appear to be irrelevant because it is absolutely schtum at the moment. Perhaps there is a collective reflection on how right this BB has been throughout.
Not long now. |
If TOM had taken out key man insurance, this would have involved medical checks?
If no key man insurance this would have been due to decision not to insure CE - medical issues, excessive cost etc. One might have thought the big investors would have needed some form of assurance re his health quite apart from key man insurance.
Clearly there is no KM which places the Board at fault. Did the Board not at least insist on a full medical annually - if not why not?
Some shareholders may want to know the cause of death bearing in mind this is / was a one band and there was no double cover.
If stress etc was the cause of death, why did the non exec board - all well paid - allow CE to operate under such risk - or perhaps it appeased its conscience by paying a remarkably high remuneration to keep him on board. |
 You don't have to go back too far to see the stupidity on the other thread...
rmart
22 Apr '24 - 08:19 - 31363 of 31447
So, the 2 new large holders have bought in for almost £1m so far.
I don’t care how wealthy you are you don’t waste a million quid.
goulding1215
22 Apr '24 - 18:19 - 31365 of 31447
I think that Rmart is on to something here. How long before anything leaks out that will be relevant? Gla
Told them at the time ...
fenners66
22 Apr '24 - 11:04 - 18291 of 18456 Edit
So your implication is that anyone who gambles £1m cannot get it wrong....
Fine all millionaires will inevitably become billionaires etc
That is clearly not true. Its either stupid and naive or used as a desperate perhaps insidious tactic to influence those whom follow your thread and whom are not allowed to be exposed to "realistic " opinion. Join the dots.
What evidence springs to mind to support my contention ..?
The relatively wealthy Mike Ashley -bought £100m of shares in Debenhams - after strangely , myself and others on ADVFN discussed the precarious state of Debenhams finances and whether they were investable. (if only he had read the thread - it was not censored for positive only posts )
He lost the lot. £100m down the toilet - so a mere £1m ... peanuts. |
Lopo most of us on this thread are fed up with the symbiotic relationship between BB posters/gamblers and narrative companies which need a thread of respectability to raise cash to support the narrative and remuneration.
Which are worse? probably the 'rmarts' of this world who scam their fellow posters by framing the BB narrative.
Just to state the obvious - no RNS today announcing the funding. The company will have been trying to raise cash from long before the going concern qualification of the accounts. |
Strange that erstwhile protagonists have been very silent - for how long? Why?
When / if this company is investigated their involvement should be examined - but unfortunately this business will pass away
In time and no one will be any the wiser.
Of course this can only happen once the Board has collected any deferred remuneration for its services. |
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