Stilo Share Discussion Threads

[stilolosses] 26/3/2019 22:49

How long will the share price during this cycle continue around these levels mud is the question.

Migrate and Omnimark are products that have been established for decades. In Omnimarks case it has taken around £800k to £900k for the last 20 to 25 years annually.

As we all also know Migrate has been around 10 to 12 years and that continues to take only around £300k. That only leaves Authorbridge. Just like everything else the new tool Optimizer will probably be taken off the market possibly after they find out how little it is needed. Like all those other products.

Management have now been forced to concede that Authorbridge is now going to take a long time to generate anything decent after being out there for the last 4 years plus.

Couse, the triple whammy for Authorbridge being the minute market size, it still not being ready for the next stage and management finally admitting that competition already exists out there in an already small market area.

I certainly cannot see anything happening for a further 5 years plus of any real importance.

To cap it off management now are talking about listing costs for very, very, very good reason. If anything happens at all.

I hate to say this mud but I have been saying for a very, very, very long time that things were looking bleaker and bleaker for Stilo and this have now been confirmed by management in abundance.

You could try saying you have been spot on Stilolosses but I understand that you need to do whatever possible to trade another 20 million shares. I do understand that.

Like I said, it's how many years on top of the last 20 years or so, this time round, is the share price going to languish around these dreadful levels, not forgetting the bit they put out about listing costs.

[mudbath] 26/3/2019 17:59

The major point overlooked is that all the negativity, encapsulated within SL's bleak overview, is that the highlighted threats and weaknesses are already more than factored into the share price.

Seemingly then there is no need to rush into buying Stilo shares quite yet.

Any lower though and ....

[mudbath] 24/3/2019 22:37

Verbose ambivalence = SL's views on just about everything.

Will he reap the rewards though when Stilo mines a rich seam ?

Doubtful.

[stilolosses] 24/3/2019 11:33

Feel for you.

Sorry to say it but you will never see those prices here again as those prices were based on a lot of speculation around various factors at that time including the important market size.

Clearly after decades of launching product after product after product, on numerous occasions then taking a lot of them back off the market, Stilo management it would appear have now decided to stop putting imaginary and fictitious statements in their reporting in terms of market size and what the real opportunity is for the likes of Authorbridge.

Shockingly, just to sneak in the back door, is the bit about their listing costs, which they have obviously sneaked in as it does not take a rocket scientist to work out why they have now decided to include that in there as opposed to the market size and the now not so good after all Authorbridge product.

Lucky if you will see any real movement by a penny or so for some time yet.

Authorbridge they say now not going to do much, not even ready yet and due to the competition already doing it, no mention of Omnimark, management also talking about listing costs, the share price is likely to go down for some time yet rather than go up.

More likely, though, that the share price will spike up and down based on a bit of buying and selling, especially at this time of year being the start of a new financial year.

Roll on 2019 year end results!

How many more huge losses in revenues like £400,000 plus verses a little bit of gain like £20,000 elsewhere?

[mam fach] 24/3/2019 11:16

Not been a gravy train for investors that's for sure.
Been holding since they were £1+.
Not worth my share certificate.

[stilolosses] 24/3/2019 11:07

My understanding is that they have already done that. I think some time ago they raised cash and bought out a business, diluted shareholder value and then decided to close that part of the business down altogether.

Remember the Saps side of their business where they use to say there were 1000s of organisations out there that they could go for.

You couldn't make it up. After spending £100,000s and £100,000s on it, telling us the market was huge, they simply rolled over and closed that side of the business down too.

Lets not forget the numerous other parts that they have developed and spend £100,000s on and then closed down.

Jats Migrate and Jats Authorbridge too comes to mind during the latest report.

Also, who would they be able to buy in such a small, tiny market and for how much. You won't get any decent company for less than a million.

Just like everything else they say in their annual reports, they do tend to disregard a lot of it a few years down the road.

They could not even bother talking about the market size in the recent report as they know they have shockingly mislead everybody on about that too, as well as Jats, Migrate and Authorbridge too just to mention a few.

Cheek of them now to talk to us about listing costs.

Should they not have thought about those 25 years ago during which time they have spent millions on for absolutely no benefit at all.

Ooops! There was one benefit!

It did allow our resident expert to trade 20 million shares which should soon be 40 million shares.

Also, some experts would argue that the latest numbers were anything but lackluster.

They would argue that losing over £400,000, ditching some of their so called world leading products, reducing profits, failing to secure any further business to write home about, 2019 being challenging, the latest version of the very, very low cost Authorbride product which has solid competition elsewhere which still needs work doing to it, with a small increase in dividends that comes with a fantastic share price drop, well, some experts would argue that these are fantastic numbers.

[escapetohome] 24/3/2019 10:39

this average performance is ususally the stage for a management to undertake a huge rights issue and buy a profitable company to disguise lacklustre performance.

Will stilo buy themselves out of trouble?


Is this a gravy train for the bod? Ie no incentive to cut 5he mustard?

[stilolosses] 24/3/2019 10:38

This is what Stilo management said 5 years ago about Authorbridge back in 2014:

We have recently initiated the development of AuthorBridge, a low-cost, web-based XML authoring solution for occasional contributors to enterprise content management systems, who have no prior knowledge of XML or its complexities. AuthorBridge is a server-based application that integrates with CK Editor, the world's leading open source HTML editor, and utilises OmniMark and Migrate technology to convert from HTML to XML, and back again. Pilot projects are currently scheduled with customers later in 2014, with the planned general release of AuthorBridge early in 2015.
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This is what Stilo management said 4 years ago about Authorbridge back in 2015:

Its initial release is scheduled for the coming months, and we are very encouraged by the preliminary customer feedback that has so far been received. We consider AuthorBridge as a potentially disruptive technology in the world of XML authoring and look forward to it making a significant contribution to our future financial performance.

Increased ongoing investments in the development of AuthorBridge, a new XML web authoring solution for large enterprises, planned for general release at the end of 2015.

Development of AuthorBridge, our new web-based XML DITA authoring tool, is progressing well. An initial pilot is ongoing with a major customer and preliminary feedback has been very promising. General release is currently scheduled for the end of 2015, and we look forward to new AuthorBridge sales contributing positively to revenues later in 2016.
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This is what Stilo management said 3 years ago about Authorbridge back in 2016:


It is targeted at large enterprises that are looking to extend the use of DITA across different business units and potentially support thousands of users. We have made considerable progress with the development of AuthorBridge in 2015, working closely with an internationally renowned customer that has helped guide our technical efforts. Following successful beta testing, AuthorBridge is now scheduled to be deployed by them in full production in the coming months.

In the meantime, we continue to invest significantly in the continuing development of AuthorBridge as we look to address the requirements of the wider market, and to proceed with a more general controlled release in 2016.

It was very pleasing to see the successful initial deployment of AuthorBridge in a production environment at IBM during June 2016. It represents a significant milestone for Stilo and serves as a very influential reference account for future sales into the XML DITA authoring tools market.

We now look forward to the general release of AuthorBridge during 2016. Pricing will be based upon a low-cost annual licensing model, and while not significantly impacting results in 2016, it will serve to establish a firm foundation for growth in revenues and profits in future years
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This is what Stilo management said 2 years ago about Authorbridge back in 2017:

Following substantial development efforts, it was particularly pleasing to see the initial adoption of AuthorBridge by the central Information Developer Tools team at IBM in the USA, and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission in Washington D.C. This is a very positive beginning for AuthorBridge and augurs well for future sales.

AuthorBridge is a web-based XML authoring tool, designed for occasional content contributors who have no knowledge of XML or its complexities. It is currently targeted at large enterprises, which are looking to extend the use of DITA across different business units and potentially support thousands of users.

Development of AuthorBridge is progressing well, albeit with some slippage against original schedules. Its initial adoption by the central Information Developer Tools team at IBM in the USA and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission in Washington D.C. provides a good foundation upon which we can build future sales.

A trial version of AuthorBridge v2 was released in February 2017 to favourable acclaim and new developers have recently been recruited as we look to complete important aspects of AuthorBridge functionality in 2017.
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This is what Stilo management said 1 years ago about Authorbridge back in 2018:

Development of AuthorBridge continues to progress well in 2018, albeit with significant slippage against original schedules. Its initial adoption by the central Information Developer Tools team at IBM in the USA and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission in Washington D.C. provides a good foundation upon which we can build future sales.

Early in 2018 AuthorBridge was selected by Kaplan Professional Education as their web authoring tool of choice and has since been successfully integrated with their Componize for Alfresco content management system, The partnership with Componize is encouraging and is already helping to generate additional business opportunities for AuthorBridge in the DITA market.
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This is what Stilo management say now about Authorbridge in 2019:

AuthorBridge is a web-based XML authoring tool, designed for content contributors who have no knowledge of XML or its complexities. It is currently targeted at large enterprises, which are looking to extend the use of DITA across different business units and potentially support hundreds of users.

The development of AuthorBridge has been a major effort over several years, culminating in the release of AuthorBridge v3 in early 2019. This release helps position AuthorBridge at the forefront of web-based DITA editing tools, albeit there are some additional developments that we need to undertake to round it off. Its initial deployment in production at IBM, following extensive co-operation and testing by the central IBM Information Developer Tools team, serves as a good foundation upon which we can build future sales. Other early stage customers include the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Intel, Kaplan Professional and Coriolis.

[stilolosses] 24/3/2019 10:12

Well,well,well!!!!!!!!!!

Funny how Stilo management should say years ago how Authorbridge was going to be there explosive product which could potentially be used by thousands of users within an organisation but now in 2019, having put it out there and finding out not many organisations want to use it, they have now replaced 1000s of users across an organisation to only hundreds of users across an organisation.

It appears that they have now come to accept that not many want the product, don't need it, and for those who do use it only use it on an incredibly minute, small scale, around a few dozen people within an organisation.

For a product that has very, very, very low prices, operating in a very, very, very small, minuscule market, with lots of organisations using their own tools or using Stilo's competitors, no wonder they now have such a dismal but realistic view on Authorbridge.

Well, I did try telling everybody about the market size and how Authorbridge would not be contributing any money for years and years yet but nobody would believe me.

Least management too have now come on board and have confirmed that they basically do not expect much from Authorbridge for quite some time yet.

If I was a betting man I would say that it may be another 10 years like Migrate or 25 years like Omnimark before Authorbridge's very, very, very low entry price product will make any serious mark on Stilo.

Course, in the meantime, no doubt, Stilo will do what they always do and continue losing £100,000s and £100,000 in loss revenues and profits elsewhere.

Remarkable too, how they have now stopped talking about the market opportunities in Dita when years ago they were happy to say it was a significantly growing market, to then saying it was a growing market, but now in 2019 they do not even want to talk about what kind of market it is.

They would now rather talk about the cost of being a listed company.

I wonder why?

[stilolosses] 17/3/2019 15:15

Some thoughts again concerning the recent results.

Looks like management have managed to deliver a wonderful and glorious set of results despite getting a few extra pounds with their so called new product in Authorbridge, despite losing some £400,000 on what was already paltry revenues anyway.

Gone are the days when our professional market experts use to tell us that this was the only tool. Gone are the days when we were told that this is the best thing since slice bread. Looks like others have beaten Stilo management to it. Definitely gone are the days when we were told that this is going to be the bread winner.

Just like all the other products that Stilo have launched then discontinues over the years.

Nice of management to state the blinking obvious for a change and finally admit that there is quality competition out there and there is nothing they can do about it other then just plod on with Authorbridge in the years to come.

Sorry to say it, again, but like they have said "more" work is needed to "finish it off" after all those ridiculous and lousy, significant delays already experienced over the years. Looks like it still won't be ready until a least 2020 at the earliest.

Course, some so called experts think that this is a great set of results. Better to have a fall of £400,000 in revenues and gain a few quid with Authorbridge.

Who would have thought management would have to eat humble pie and finally admit Authorbridge is going to take a long time to generate any decent sales due to "quality" competition already out there.

Oops! Sorry! Did management say it is going to be "a challenging year?"

Oops! Did management say they are going to rely on good old Migrate and some other newly launched product to get some new sales?

Shame they can't rely on Authorbridge!

I wonder why that is? Maybe due to the little matter of it not being ready. Maybe because some healthy competition already exists.

Maybe David and Brewins can get back into bed again with each other and David can buy another 5 or 10 million shares from Brewins like he has done previously.

Would not surprise me if David doesn't buy up Brewins 17%, leaving him and his sons with over 40% of the share issue.

Finally, our professional resident expert knows everything about liquidity. After all, how else is he going to trade another 20 million shares.

We always get told that the shares are great value at this pence or that pence.

So currently it is a buy at 2.5 pence. Was it not a buy at 5.5 pence and 1.5 pence too?

Stilo, some will argue, will always be a buy, be it 10 years ago, now, and even in 10 years time.

How else will our professional market experts be able to trade their next batch of 20 million shares...........Oops sorry!

Did somebody mention "Delisting?"

Well, we can certainly rely on the professional market experts with that one too!

[mudbath] 15/3/2019 09:21

Thanks michaelmouse for that input.

Recurring revenues,notable progress with AB and the excellent yield provide adequate reasons for supporting STL at the current share price of 2.5 pence.Liquidity though is rarely on the table with this stock and when trading is facilitated by an occurrence such as yesterday's prelims,it rapidly returns to a more moribund state.

Bring back the good old days when their former brokers were forever changing holding percentages.

One day Rodders !!

[michaelmouse] 15/3/2019 07:05

A few thoughts about yesterday's results.

[stilolosses] 14/3/2019 23:57

25 years of Omnimark and only around £800k

Over 10 years of Migrate and just around £200k

The rest is for Authorbridge after around 5 years on the market. Great really.

Management have been found out that they can no longer make excuses for Authorbridge and have now admitted there is quality competition out there who are taking the business away from them as well as a lot more work need doing for Authorbridge.

I make no apologies in saying that it was not going to be properly ready for a long time yet. Even they probably do not know the answer to that. Maybe 2019 or maybe 2020. I've always gone about other organisations being out there so at last its nice for then to admit that they don't see any real movement for Authorbridge for years to come yet.

I also make no apologies for saying that they go through new products like nobody else. So Jats have now come and gone, Migrate has not done anything for over 10 years, Authorbridge has quality competition elsewhere and still need more work doing to it so their new Optimizer R product that is still in development is going to be the latest new product that is going to generate some new sales?

Course it is. They can't do it with Omnimark, Authorbridge, Migrate or Jats so it is going to be the new product that is still in development that is going to be the new revenue generator.

No wonder they say and give early warning that 2019 is going to be a challenging year.

Who in their right mind want to buy a company that generates so little so often in a small, minute market place, who chop and change their fantastic products like no other.

Like I have said before, I won't apologise for this either, Stilo management are very, very, very good at chopping and changing and discontinuing product after product every 3 years or so. The new product this year being Optimizer R which is still in development that is going to start selling soon.

I wonder if this too will be discontinued in a year or two just like the new product of 2015 Jats when that too did nothing.

[escapetohome] 14/3/2019 20:23

An unacceptable performance.

This needs to be swallowed up by a larger company so value can be created by people with the right expertise, nous, and financial clout to develop and market.

The current crowd perhaps are conservative and steady, but do not seem to reward shareholders, but do very very well themselves out of it.

[dontsweatit] 14/3/2019 10:41

I had high hoped for STilo a few years ago but it all seems to be flat now, noted comments about being listed and the costs but all a bit late now.

[stilolosses] 14/3/2019 08:52

So the professional market experts still have not posted!

They normally post 10 minutes after the results are published.

I can just picture what Chief Executive Les Burnham said to Chairman David Ashman:

Les: "Well David with everything going into reverse what can we possibly do to make the 12 month statement look pretty?"

David: "Oh shut up Les! Don't be a spoil sport. Just put the dividends up and make it appear like a bitter sweat pill".

Les: "But David the share holders may cotton on that everthing is in reverse including thier investments so will an increase in the dividends really work out positive?"

David: " Don't be silly Les. Course it will. In this way me and my sons can continue to fill our boots over the next 15 to 20 years like we always have.

Les: David so do you still want to keep it in the family?"

David: Quiet Les! Shut up Les! Shhhhhhh! Course I do!

Les: So shall we just put the dividends up David and keep the share holders happy for now David?"

David: "Yes please Les. It will also keep me and my sons happy".

Les: Don't you ever think about the investment of share holders David?

David: What investors Les?

Les: "OK then David. Fingers up to the share holders it is then".

David: Stop worrying Les. Our resident professional market expert Mudbath will put a twist on it for us and make our results appear rosy alongside a couple more professional market experts".

Les: But Mudbath seems to have given up David as there is only so much twisting he can do for us David. He seems to be concentrating on investments elsewhere now David?

David: Stop worrying Les. My sons will buy him out also.

[mudbath] 14/3/2019 08:46

Thanks for that further regurgitation of your views on Stilo,StiloLosses.
Good luck to you in 2019.


It's BYOT actually that look certain to double or more in 2019,rather than TERN,although the latter are starting to look attractive again at 10.5 pence.

[stilolosses] 14/3/2019 07:28

Fantastic set of results as normal and best of all Authorbridge still not ready just like I said. Still more work needed to round it off. You could not make it up.

Revenues down, profits down, cash down, Migrate down but course held on if you believe that, Omnimark down etc, etc, etc. Jats stopped.

The icing on the cake being that as I have always said Authorbridge will not contribute for many years yet and year in year out they continue to use the old minute little contract with IBM as a good reference point.

Nice of them to drop in quietly that Jats have now been dropped and the minor little bit about 2019 going to be challenging by just a little bit.

Years and years of patience needed as everything continues to go into reverse. Least dividends are up.

Great news really!

So Wednesday or Thursday it was just like it has been for years and years for their results to be published. You can predict it all the time but best of all you can also predict the results too each year.

Time for the professional market experts to put a lovely twist on it all and tell us the complete opposite to everything that Stilo management has said about Jats being dropped, Authorbridge still not ready and needing more work, Authorbridge not going to contribute for many years yet, everything being in reverse and 2019 going to be challenging.

No doubt the professionals will tell us the complete opposite to management like normal and do the twist like they did last summer and all summers.

Like I have said many, many times before its not going to happen in 2019, 2020 or 2021 as those too are going to be also ran years.

Roll on year end results for 2019 in March 2020. Pencil those into your diaries too probably Wednesday 11 March 2020 or Thursday 12 March 2020.

Not surprising the professional market experts keeping silent on such wonderful results and wonderful outlook report.

Normally they post 10 minutes after the results are published.

TERN it is then!

Ooops!

Let's not forget BYOTROL.

[stilolosses] 11/3/2019 09:33

The time of reckoning is normally around this week for Stilo International. Wednesday or Thursday normally.

Maybe they will apologise to everybody for yet another classic own goal with the numbers that they are going to come out with.

They will probably just simply stick to something like the market "continues to grow" rather than what they use to say some 25 years ago about the market growing rapidly or what they have been saying for around the last 10 years or so about the market continuing to grow significantly.

A simple "market continues to grow” should be the appropriate terminology for the next few years.

I very much doubt they will make any kind of reference to the fact that though the market now just continues to “grow” that they still have not made any headway at all in terms of getting even 0.00001% of this so called “growth” during the last 25 years or so.

No doubt they will leash off all the wonderful opportunities that lie ahead whilst giving wonderful excuses as to why it still is not happening or didn’t happen again during the last 12 months for them.

Maybe as the market grows and Stilo continues to shrink they may get a little bit of a bump start with Authorbridge 3. Course, at the same time, as normal, the other products will make up for it by going into reverse as always.

Like I said though the time of reckoning is normally around the next few days.

Then again, as they won't really have much to report on they really could have brought the results out a couple of months ago with a:

“It is what it is statement!”

[clocktower] 06/3/2019 13:42

Another cracker from you mud BYOT - well done - you really are a class act calling that on top of TERN when you did, neither of which I was or am in.

[stilolosses] 25/2/2019 22:20

Look at the bright side.

Least when they publish their 12 month results with no doubt yet another promising outlook report you will be able to take a word or a sentence out and conjure something fictitious up as normal.....ooops! Sorry!

Mind you, I'm sure what they have said about Authorbridge take 3 is that it will soon be out. I wonder if that means sometime in 2019 or does out soon actually mean a long few months yet and more closer to 2020.

Surely there will be some exciting activity on the day they report or thereafter.

[clocktower] 25/2/2019 15:16

Straight from the horses mouth eh mud! :-)

[mudbath] 25/2/2019 15:10

It's all about timing SL,both on the buying and selling side.
As of now,both BYOT and TERN are compelling buys.
At STL,meanwhile,there is no apparent rush to either enter or exit just as long as things remain in their current moribund state...

[stilolosses] 25/2/2019 10:58

I am very disappointed with your latest response Mud given that you saw my last post.

I was at least half expecting you to give some misleading and inaccurate information about Stilo's prospects even if you did just make something up.

Something like Mike from IBM and Stilo doing another joint presentation in a couple of months time in April 2019 after the last one they did about 3 years ago resulted in nothing.

Not even a packet of KP peanuts!

Mind you, I don't see why management can't just copy and paste something from the last 25 years.

After all, they do have the following:

25 years and counting of Omnimark;

10 years and counting of Migrate;

5 years and counting of Authorbridge;

Course, Jats Migrate and Jats Authorbridge quietly sneaked out of the door and shut down after so much expectations of this area in the last 10 years or so within their annual reports.

About time they kept this quiet from everybody in the 12 month report soon to be published.

No doubt they will now do what they always do and talk about some more new "maybe products and expectations" which will again be discontinued in the next 5 years.

Then again, like I said before, they could just say the following in their 12 month report if they don't want to copy and paste the last 25 years:

It is what it is!