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[xxxxxy] 06/3/2024 10:04

9:33AMKremlin dismisses ICC arrest warrants for officersThe Kremlin has said it does not recognise the International Criminal Court's arrest warrants for two Russian officers over their actions in the Ukraine conflict."We are not participants" in the court's founding treaty, Dmitry Peskov, the Kremlin spokesman, told reporters. "We don't recognise this," he added, referring to the arrest warrants issued on Tuesday....Daily Telegraph

[maxplus2] 02/3/2024 17:41

Gold on the up. What this mean for Poly?

[xxxxxy] 01/3/2024 10:39

Russia now.A sad Uncivilised place .Nothing to invest in here.

[masergt] 26/2/2024 21:23

xxxxxy #21591.

I agree with everything in that article and, in posting it, I assume you do too.

I know you want to see Putin in front of both the ICJ and the ICC, neither of which he or his supoporters recognise or respect anyway, but the Hague is no place for him. In addition to the reasons I previously stated a quick look at outstanding cases, cases heard but awaiting verdicts and defendants still at large going all the way back to the Courts' establishment in 2002 will confirm its lack of effective authority.

In the same way that the toothless UN replaced the equally useless League of Nations, the Hague is little more than a talking shop for highly paid lawyers with no incentive to ensure timely conclusion of due process or to bar outside political interference. Many cases are well over a decade old, some more than twenty years old, but why the hell should the fat cat lawyers or judges care. Unbelievably, the International Criminal Court, supposedly the supreme global arbitor of crimes against humanuty, often bars itself from hearing cases on the grounds jurisdiction (temporal, either territorial or personal, and material); admissibility of evidence(complementarity and gravity); and the interests of justice. How on earth can you refuse to hear and adjudicate accusations of crimes against humanity "in the interests of justice"?







And this is an example of the ludicrous legal machinations that are part and parcel of everyday business at the ICC in the Hague. Definitely no place for slimy Putin!

[zangdook] 26/2/2024 07:11

When you say "left Germany without", what the terms I quoted imply is that Germany was left without German ownership of those things. It doesn't necessarily follow that they were physically removed from German soil.

The real difference between the treatment of Germany post-WWI and post-WWII is that in 1945 it ceased to exist as an independent state. Under Allied administration reparations and aid were managed in such a way that in the end through a lot of hard work an economically prosperous but spiritually broken state emerged. So we see today Germany doesn't even squeak when the Yanks blow up its energy supply line.

[xxxxxy] 25/2/2024 20:09

Carpe Jugulum[R] ... Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine for the sole purpose of stealing Ukraine's vast resources both for himself and his oligarch chums. Prighozin admitted as much before he was murdered.Putin is a murdering thug and the Arch Thief of a mature kleptocracy. The entire point of being a thug and murderer is that rules don't apply to you and agreements are transient things of no consequence.Putin enjoys huge majority support within what is a profoundly sick Russian society.As far as preferences of civilised people go there is NO desire to trade with thugs, murdering filth or their supporters.Sanctions or not, far better to just isolate the wretched place. We are moving away from Russian hydrocarbons and the fewer ignorant Russian thugs in various holiday resorts the better. They are unfamiliar with manners and have the charm of hungry lice.Then we have Ukraine. When a civilised country is invaded by murdering filth we really should be offering all the help we can, especially given that every Russian soldier blown into gobbets is one less of a threat to us.Negotiations with a murdering thug? Preferably not. Putin would be better company dead... Daily Telegraph

[1knocker] 25/2/2024 18:58

So the allires left Germany without transport, manufacturing capacity, or the means to make foreign purchases? Come off it.

In fact, modest reparations were agreed at the Potsdam conference, mainly to be made in manufacturing machinery, but not much was in fact taken (no doubt because for logistic reasons and the expense of incorporating and maintaining it in differently equipped factories it was uneconomic to do so), and all such removals had ceased by 1950.

As to the German labour in the UK, the workers were all prisoners of war, fed, clothed and housed under rules laid down by international law. I believe (though I am not certain) that their labour after Germany's surrender was not compulsory and was paid for, in cash and privileges. They were repatriated over about the same timescale as those conscripted into the UK armed forces and to provide industrial manpower (eg, in the coal mines - 'Bevin boys' ) were demobilised.

It is true that German military equipment and know how of interest to the allies was taken, as well as a few other curiosities such as the pre-war German Naval sail training yachts laid up during te war at Kiel, subsequently held and raced by the Royal Naval Sailing Association as the 'Windfall class'. A few of them are still going strong today, in private ownership, and receive a particulr welcome at the Kiel Yacht Club..

[zangdook] 25/2/2024 16:36

In 1946 a fifth of all agricultural work in the UK was performed by German prisoners.

[zangdook] 25/2/2024 16:34

The Allies finally agreed for German reparations to be paid in the following forms:

Dismantling of the German industry
Transferring all manufacturing equipment, machinery and machine tools to the Allies
Transferring all railroad cars, locomotives and ships to the Allies
Confiscation of all German investments abroad
All gold, silver and platinum in bullion or coin form held by any person/institution in Germany
All foreign currency
All patents and research data relevant to military application and processes
Requisition of current German industrial production and resource extraction
Forced labour provided by the German population

The UK got 28% of that.

[1knocker] 25/2/2024 15:36

Germany makes voluntary payments to Israel, and has provided some compensation to concentration camp victims and their families.

Those sums do not amount to a fraction of the grants and loans Germany received under the Marshal plan and other post war initiatives for the reconstruction of Germany.

It has not paid for the damage and destruction to occupied and allied countries - how much compensation do you think the UK has been paid by Germany? - and was released from liability even to make restitution for its thefts, eg the Greek gold reserves.

[zangdook] 25/2/2024 12:07

"Nor was Germany required to compensate its victims"

They've paid about $90b so far:



They're still paying about $1.4b a year:



Claim yours here:



But it's nothing they can't afford, not like after WWI.

[xxxxxy] 25/2/2024 08:04

The UN has lost its moral authority....... Christopher Rayner14 MIN AGOWhen the Soviet Union invaded Finland in 1940 they were unceremoniously thrown out of The League of Nations. Russia could be eliminated from the UN for breaking its own rules, but they do nothing.... Daily Telegraph

[31337 c0d3r] 24/2/2024 19:34

jL506

"Don't forget Minsk was agreed - who broke the rules Biden!!!!!!!!!"


Don't forget the Budapest Memorandum of 1993 - who broke the rules first Putin!

"The memoranda [...] prohibited Russia [...] from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine ..."

[jl5006] 24/2/2024 17:36

maser
A misnomer a court of law?
Where is there one - not in UK where a scum gets £5m legal aid for living in style in a so called Syrian camp.
London courts who have the audacity to say that the plaintiff - accused of vile anti sem activity did not really mean it
Supreme courts such as ECHR - staffed by non law qualified dictate rules - and here make up their own minds.
Dont forget Minsk was agreed - who broke the rules Biden!!!!!!!!!

[masergt] 24/2/2024 15:31

xxxxxy - #21580. I know what you're saying but Putin doesn't recognise courts of law or normal civilisation. In fact his whole strategy for expanding his power and influence in the world depends on that same civilisation sticking to the rule of law. No commander ever won a war, and that is what this has been from the beginning, by always doing what the enemy expects. What set of fools goes to war and voluntarily ties both theirs and their allies' hands behind their backs. Therein lies loss and needless mass slaughter.

Come to that, what sort of commander-in-chief rules out the use of superior (conventional) weapons capable of quickly defeating the invading force on the grounds the enemy might capture one and copy it or learn how to stop it? Do the Yanks really think Russia and China stopped spying on them years ago? Hmm... let's try 'em with pea shooters first and if that doesn't work we'll upgrade 'em to air rifles - but only if UKR promise not to aim above the enemy's kneecaps.

We have to get real. Since Putin won't play by our rules then we must, in consequence, play by his. The right thing to do (since it wasn't done in 2014) would have been to eliminate him on 24th Feb 2022 as soon as he launched attacks from puppet Belarus on unprotected civilians in Kiev. This was not a disputed territory; there was no Putin orchestrated call from Kiev to be part of Russia; there was no partisan action against illegal Russian insurgency in Kiev but Putin bombed it all the same.

The build up was obvious to 'law abiding civilised society' and the warnings we sent went unheeded. If anyone thought waving a signed treaty at Putin would make him withdraw they were fools. Naive, law abiding fools. Far too many lives have been lost on both sides and I blame the soft bellied, law abiding, civilised West for that almost as much as I blame Putin. The lack of an immediate and decisive response and the continued policy of 'containment' is an open invitation for China to seize Taiwan and its global dependent electronics industries whenever it likes in the full knowledge that the West has already shown them their 'civilised' battle plans.

The Hague? Nah. Not if someone else gets him first. And that's the only law Putin understands.

[xxxxxy] 24/2/2024 08:06

Why court.Because it is the right thing to do.It is about law and Civilisation.

[xxxxxy] 24/2/2024 08:04

And Putin and his Gangsters must be handed over to the Hague court.And then lots of COMPENSATION.

[xxxxxy] 24/2/2024 08:03

Why the West must seize Russia's central bank assetsRussia committed a crime of aggression, it is right that their frozen funds pay for the defence and reconstruction of UkraineALICIA KEARNS... Daily Telegraph

[masergt] 23/2/2024 21:13

xxxxxy - #21572. "More to it...Putin has to be handed over to the Hague court for Murder and War Crimes."

Why? To prove we're more humane than he is? To see justice done? Ask the families of the innocent civilians he murdered, of the abducted children, of the owners of Ukrainian property and businesses that have been razed to the ground, of their life's work ripped from - ask them what they would like to see happen to Putin.

Why waste years proving black is black? Why continue to give him a platform under cushy house arrest while politicians feather their own nests, burnish reputations and lawyers make millions out of it? Do you want to see the diabolical spectacle of greasy gravy train lawyers actually arguing in favour of Putin's human rights?

His crimes are indisputable. His guilt unquestioned by all except his equally culpable cronies. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Repercussions? I doubt it. The Ceauscescu's summary trial and same day execution on charges of genocide shows that the righteous hand wringing and moves to appeal before their deaths by firing squad was soon forgotton. 'Justice' was seen to be done and done quickly. But even a high window would be too good and swift for Putin. More appropriate would be the opportunity for him to sample the delights of Novichok and telling him what you're doing as you spread it on his face or wherever. Setting him on an unstoppable path to a painful hell whilst giving him time to experience and reflect on the suffering he caused so many others might be seen as somewhat extreme but nothing could be more apposite.

[loganair] 23/2/2024 19:32

However, most importantly for many shareholders the CEO did say he would like to re-list on the LSE in the next 3 years.

[maxplus2] 23/2/2024 16:32

The net cash is then used for new development. Sadly no dividend