Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
Octagonal LSE:OCT London Ordinary Share GB00BWWCHQ23 ORD 0.05P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  +0.05p +2.17% 2.35p 2.25p 2.45p 2.35p 2.30p 2.30p 210,041 09:51:48
Industry Sector Turnover (m) Profit (m) EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap (m)
Electronic & Electrical Equipment 4.2 0.8 0.1 16.8 13.21

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DateSubjectAuthorDiscuss
22/8/2017
18:34
Weak pound helping from overseas earnings? They've mentioned it before in the accounts.
bobby.ifa
22/8/2017
16:37
Wow nice 10% rise just before the close !
quazie12
02/8/2017
21:31
You'd be forgiven for thinking this was suspended at the moment what with the lack of share price movement over the past month!
ochs
02/8/2017
20:30
topvest 2 Aug '17 - 20:04 - 1240 of 1240 0 0 We don't all have to agree with you that this is a fantastic stock. Time will tell. I haven't posted anywhere that this is a fantastic stock. Where does that come from?
bad gateway
02/8/2017
20:04
We don't all have to agree with you that this is a fantastic stock. Time will tell.
topvest
02/8/2017
18:19
topvest 2 Aug '17 - 18:09 - 1238 of 1238 0 0 Sounds like a quality mandate....lol! So its official then top you've become a hater now you've sold. After our last discourse I've started copying and pasting all your replies. Got fed up with you going back and editing your posts to make them look better after they've been answered.
bad gateway
02/8/2017
18:09
Sounds like a quality mandate....lol!
topvest
02/8/2017
15:41
Just released from eme.. Empyrean Energy plc, the oil and gas development company with interests in China, Indonesia and the United States, is pleased to announce that it has placed 11,764,706 ordinary shares of 0.2p each (the "Placing Shares") at 8.5p per share (the "Placing Price"), through Global Investment Strategy, a London-based advisory firm, raising GBP1,000,000 before costs (the "Placing").
bad gateway
24/7/2017
22:12
topvest 24 Jul '17 - 22:07 - 1235 of 1243 0 2 That's what I said in my write-up above. It's an accounts error, so I have quoted both numbers. Well to be exact thats what you said after your edit following my reply to your write up but if its anything its a typo which to be honest was quite clear to me from the start.
bad gateway
24/7/2017
22:07
That's what I said in my write-up above. It's an accounts error, so I have quoted both numbers.
topvest
24/7/2017
22:05
Then you should have realised that with your claimed experience. It was after all blindingly obvious that the staff wages in 7 and directors emolients in 8 were separate.
bad gateway
24/7/2017
22:02
It's a typographical error. Note 7 says it includes directors emoluments and is standalone. Any good auditor knows that!
topvest
24/7/2017
21:59
Yes you are and you're doing it deliberately. Notes 7 and 8 are obviously a section of the accts and employee and director emolients are clearly separated in 7 and 8.
bad gateway
24/7/2017
21:51
I am not reading the accounts wrongly. Note 7 states that it includes directors remuneration. This is a typographical error if it's in note 8. To be honest they are a relatively poor quality set of accounts typical of a small firm on a cut price fee. They probably need to move up the league table of audit firms. I have been genuinely torn on this stock, but if you don't quite trust management and the accounts it's definitely one I will stay out of and see whether I am right or wrong. Interesting to see how things go. Think the main question is how they generate that revenue number per employee with little investment in people or systems. Their web-site is truly awful. What's their competitive advantage and how do they do it?
topvest
24/7/2017
21:29
I'm no more an accountant than you are top but it looks to me like you're just reading the accts wrong. Staff costs (note 7)were £572k and directors emolients (listed seperately in note 8) were £450k up from 360k. Glad you removed your is the cash there comment. Should leave that sort of thing to the desperate to deramp brigade as it adds nothing.
bad gateway
24/7/2017
20:28
Been through the GIS accounts. My thoughts and notes for what they are worth: Turnover up 34% to £5.6m. Gross margins of 71% up from 69%. Generated £2.2m of cash in the year. Cash now £3.7m. It's not earned any interest which is not very astute but rates are virtually zero I guess. Oh well the new super bond will solve that! Taken the cash flow exemption but the group accounts haven't yet been prepared....a bit naughty! £1.7m of special charges up from £0.8m - just what are these? Only £1k of pension cost in the company..unusual. Anyone heard of auto-enrolment? Staff costs of £573k about the same as last year despite the new hires - 16 people on average versus 12 last year. Says that this includes directors of £451k - 4 people. That means 12 people are earning an average of £10k each - truly stunning and very charitable of them! Probably erroneous and the 12 are earning £573k which would be £48k each. A common accounts mistake - Maybe the FD hasn't read his accounts properly, nor the auditors. Audit fee only £7k - quality! Turnover per employee is £351k then. Truly impressive versus their salary cost and a very high average for any business. Is this a money making machine? No IT or software costs capitalised - what about their settlement and custody solutions systems? Trade debtors are only £91k - and on a c£5.6m turnover business. Absolutely fantastic. Looks like they get paid pretty much immediately. Intergroup debtors have increased to £0.4m and by c£150k in the year. PLC costs I guess. No big liabilities other than a corporation tax creditor. Looks like they aren't paying progress payments. Shouldn't they be? VAT liability - can't see one of any size - even better! Note 24 and lease commitments note is incorrectly disclosed. Should show < 1yr amount. Operating lease charges should also be disclosed and are not. Being picky now. John Gunn paid £270k and current account now in credit. About time I suppose. Not sure why he has a current account at all really. £200k invested in Synergis Capital post year end to retain 72%, following just £625 in the year. MAKE OF IT WHAT YOU WILL. THE ACCOUNTS LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE FOUND A MONEY MAKING MACHINE. RELATIVELY LOW STAFF COSTS EXCEPT FOR THE DIRECTORS, MASSIVE MARGINS, NO SIGNIFICANT EXTERNAL DEBTORS OR CREDITORS (EXCEPT UNPAID CORPORATION TAX) AND MASSES OF CASH. HMMM......... LOOKS GREAT....WHAT EXACTLY DO THEY DO?
topvest
24/7/2017
18:16
Nothing different to last year so far.... GIS accounts were on July 18th last year.... So expect Oct to be in a few weeks if it follows the same pattern as last year.
substp
24/7/2017
15:46
Yes, numbers for GIS are good. I will retain my sceptical position though. Can see both sides of the argument, but want some evidence that management can be trusted.
topvest
24/7/2017
15:24
Thanks substp. Exceptional no's for GIS. 34% growth in turnover, doubling of operating profit and pretax profit of £1.6m even after the wellflagged and historical writedowns. Looking forward to their ful no's in a few weeks.
bad gateway
24/7/2017
14:26
Yes, rather odd they file the subsidiary accounts at Companies House before releasing the Group accounts. Rather unprofessional. Suspect the FD is struggling with his consolidation again, not that its difficult!
topvest
24/7/2017
12:54
Will we still be waiting another 4 wks for the Octagonal full accounts?
substp
24/7/2017
12:43
GIS full accounts..... looks pretty much in line... https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04576299/filing-history/MzE4MDkyNTc5NmFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0
substp
18/7/2017
19:58
Http://tinyurl.com/ybxs9n8g We know Martin Davidson owns 12.5%.... it would be nice to know who holds the others.....
substp
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