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[minerve 2] 22/6/2021 10:20

arja

Billionaires and other countries have had the objective of bringing down the EU or weakening the Euro for a long-time. Brexiters, through their ignorance, have helped them and they will be the main losers.

[jubberjim] 22/6/2021 10:19

If you post anything derogatory about our esteemed prime minister does it get removed/moderated?
Genuine question !

[arja] 22/6/2021 10:18

minerve2,
Interesting and it seems that some of these brextremists are bitter and twisted and
being xenophobic might help to make them feel better . Hence the vote for brexit . They certainly never give even ONE example of brexit improving peoples' lives .

[xxxxxy] 22/6/2021 10:16

Downing Street decision-making is 'blind leading blind', says Dominic CummingsIf public could see what went on inside No 10, 'everyone would sell everything and head for the bunker in the hills', claims former aideByLucy Fisher, DEPUTY POLITICAL EDITOR21 June 2021 • 9:05pm?Dominic Cummings has said Downing Street is dominated by "the blind leading the blind" and if the public could see how decisions were made, "everyone would sell everything and head for the bunker in the hills".The Prime Minister's former chief adviser used an online question and answer session on Monday to unleash a fresh salvo of criticism at the Government. It built on a wave of attacks launched since he left Number 10 in the wake of a bitter power struggle last November.He derided Number 10 as "just a branch of [the] entertainment industry" and also heaped criticism on the Tory party as "hideous". Elsewhere he claimed: "All the parties are rotten to the core, old decrepit entities literally dying on their feet."The crop of mandarins at the helm of Whitehall departments when he entered the Government were "shockingly bad" and peppered by an "incredible number of utter duffers", Mr Cummings claimed, adding: "We cleared some out but still..."... Daily Telegraph

[arja] 22/6/2021 10:12

Minerve2,
unless they are billionaires who made a killing from it and counting the loot ! ( smile ) .

[minerve 2] 22/6/2021 10:12

arja

Yes, arja, Pierre and I go back along way. His hate towards me stems from BT where I proved him wrong big time. Many on ADVFN don't like Minerve because I'm contrarian and most of the time I have been right for the periods I've been watching a stock or been a shareholder. The 48,000% is a fact but I'm not going to give my identity away to prove it to a non-entity like sentiment. He plays a part in my life similar to a second's worth of a passing gnat in the back garden. Sentiment is entertained ONLY BECAUSE he entertains, not because I take him seriously. Pierre is more capable but never seems to deliver.

[xxxxxy] 22/6/2021 10:12

Who on earth did Lord Frost's opposite number in the EU think he would fool?The 'Iron Lady' and the speech by the EU's former Soviet Communist?© Facts4EU.Org 2021Part two of Facts4EU.Org's report on the EU Vice President's bizarre 'Bruges speech'Yesterday we reported on the 'Bruges speech' delivered by EU Vice President Maroš Šef?ovi? on Friday last week to the 'College of Europe' – some 33 years after the famous Bruges Speech delivered by Baroness Thatcher in 1988.This is important to the United Kingdom because it is Mr Šef?ovi? who is now in charge of negotiations with Lord Frost on all aspects of Brexit.In his lengthy speech about the EU's relations with the UK, we pointed out that Mr Šef?ovi? had quoted Baroness Thatcher six times, seeming to suggest that she was actually in favour of the EU. This is a gross misrepresentation, which we shall come on to. Before we do that, we have a question for readers. (Photo right: Mr Šef?ovi? on Friday)?The 'Iron Lady' and the EU's former Soviet CommunistWhen the 'Iron Lady' was making her speech in Bruges in 1988,would readers like to take a wild guess where Mr Šef?ovi? was living?Answer: Moscow, where he lived and studied for five years.In 1985 Maroš Šef?ovi? left his home country, the Soviet puppet state of Czechoslovakia, and headed east to Moscow for five years. In going east to Russia Mr Šef?ovi? did not suffer the fate of hundreds of his fellow countrymen and women who had been killed attempting to cross the border in the opposite direction, to the West.The EU Vice President spent five years in Moscow, at the elite university called the 'Moscow State Institute of International Relations'.Two years after his arrival he submitted his application for formal membership of the Czechoslovak Communist Party (KS?). In those days Party membership was a big thing and was not granted to everyone.Fortunately the National Archive in Prague holds records of such people and to the right is a copy of his successful application. (Credit: Dennik / Národní archiv)?The Prague Spring and the 'Velvet Revolution'In the mid-1960s Czechoslovakia had slowly been attempting to liberalise. In August 1968 this 'Prague Spring' was brutally crushed by Moscow, when tanks and some 500,000 troops from the Warsaw Pact invaded and the Soviet Union was able to demolish the Dubcek government and bolster the power of the hardline KS?.?At the time that Maroš Šef?ovi? left for Moscow only 17 years later, the brutal suppression of the flowerings of a liberal society (including many deaths as a result) in his home country were of course completely fresh in the minds of its citizens.This did not deter Mr Šef?ovi? on his journey to become more ingrained in the study of Marxism-Leninism in the capital city of the country which was the author of the violence and oppression.The writing was finally on the (Berlin) wall for the EU's now Vice PresidentIt was only in 1990, following the fall of the Soviet Union, that Maroš Šef?ovi? returned to his home country.At this point it is worth noting that the demise of the Eastern Bloc was caused in no small part by the rigorous stance of Baroness Thatcher and of President Ronald Reagan. This is the same Margaret Thatcher – as she then was – whom Mr Šef?ovi? chose to quote many times in his speech last week in Bruges.Vice President Šef?ovi? on the Brussels gravy trainSince that time, Maroš Šef?ovi? has exclusively pursued a career in academia and politics. This career even included a time as Slovak Ambassador to Zimbabwe. He has worked in Brussels since 2004 and has been an EU Commissioner for 12 years.Facts4EU.Org has been unable to find any evidence that the EU Vice President has ever held a job outside politics or has had any experience whatsoever of business or trade. We even accessed his 'declaration of interests' held at the EU Commission in Brussels, and there isn't one single personal commercial activity, investment, or interest listed.This is the man now in charge of negotiations with the UK's Lord Frost and his team on matters such as trade and financial services.Finally, what did Baroness Thatcher actually say about the (future) EU??In his 'EU Bruges speech' last Friday, the EU Vice President seemed to want to invoke the late Baroness Thatcher in support of a new EU superstate and empire, by selectively quoting short phrases from her 1988 speech.In fact Margaret Thatcher's speech became famous for its renunciation of the 'European Community' project, talking of the "willing co-operation between independent, sovereign states", "perusing policies that relate supply more closely to market requirements", and the "need for the Community to encourage enterprise".Below are some other quotations from that famous Bruges Speech.BREXIT FACTS4EU.ORG SUMMARYSome key excerpts from Baroness Thatcher's Bruges Speech, 1988The opening words"Mr. Chairman, you have invited me to speak on the subject of Britain and Europe. Perhaps I should congratulate you on your courage. If you believe some of the things said and written about my views on Europe, it must seem rather like inviting Genghis Khan to speak on the virtues of peaceful coexistence!"On the United Kingdom's sacrifices for Europe"But we British have in a very special way contributed to Europe. Over the centuries we have fought to prevent Europe from falling under the dominance of a single power. We have fought and we have died for her freedom."Other quotations from the speech"The Community is not an end in itself. Nor is it an institutional device to be constantly modified according to the dictates of some abstract intellectual concept. Nor must it be ossified by endless regulation.""To try to suppress nationhood and concentrate power at the centre of a European conglomerate would be highly damaging and would jeopardise the objectives we seek to achieve.""We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them re-imposed at a European level with a European super-state exercising a new dominance from Brussels.""If we cannot reform those Community policies which are patently wrong or ineffective and which are rightly causing public disquiet, then we shall not get the public support for the Community's future development.""The lesson of the economic history of Europe in the 70's and 80's is that central planning and detailed control do not work and that personal endeavour and initiative do. That a State-controlled economy is a recipe for low growth and that free enterprise within a framework of law brings better results.""Our aim should not be more and more detailed regulation from the centre: it should be to deregulate and to remove the constraints on trade."And finally"Let Europe be a family of nations, understanding each other better, appreciating each other more, doing more together but relishing our national identity no less than our common European endeavour. Let us have a Europe which plays its full part in the wider world, which looks outward not inward, and which preserves that Atlantic community-that Europe on both sides of the Atlantic-which is our noblest inheritance and our greatest strength."OBSERVATIONSOriginally we had planned a textual analysis and dissection of Mr Šef?ovi?'s long speech on Friday. In the end we decided to let viewers judge it on its merits, with the added benefit of some knowledge about who was giving it.Even the most cursory look at the late Baroness Thatcher's Bruges Speech shows that she desired a relatively loose confederation of European countries working together in their common interests.If she saw what the EU has become today there can be no doubt that she would be simply appalled. As indeed are we.Facts4EU.Org and youWe present facts-based research that most of the MSM fails to provide, and through that we give a voice to a more common-sense approach that is shared and sought by so many people. Most of our readers are well-informed and appreciate our fact-based articles, presented in a way you won't see anywhere else. Please help our work with a donation. We have far more to do in researching, publishing, campaigning and lobbying Parliament than we have in terms of the financial resources to fulfil these tasks. We badly need funding to continue - we rely 100% on public donations from readers like you. We are a 'not for profit' team (we make a loss) 

[arja] 22/6/2021 10:09

Pierre ,
talking about drunks, perhaps you were drunk when you bought BT at top of market ? ok, in that case we forgive you .

[minerve 2] 22/6/2021 10:08

Pierre

That's pretty disappointing response even from you!

List the real benefits of Brexit. Come on, list them! Don't copy soundbites like the numpty sentiment.

Let us engage in real Brexit debate with facts and rationale.

You can't, because you know, deep within, Brexit is a busted flush, and that is why most of you here are still angry and still bitter.

[arja] 22/6/2021 10:07

Minerve2,
so pierre bought BT at £5 which was at the point it turned southwards in late 2015 ?
what a smart move and shows a bit about his judgement on none brexit and brexit matters !

[sentimental rules] 22/6/2021 10:06

yep …. although its fun toying with them and seeing them boil over in sheer anger day to day

[pierre oreilly] 22/6/2021 10:05

It's like dealing with drunks - absolutely pointless trying any sort of reason or engaging in rational debate.

Soz, of course it IS dealing with drunks!

[sentimental rules] 22/6/2021 10:01

I see germany now raising their borrowing requirements for next year by 22 pct


oops

[arja] 22/6/2021 10:01

ever thought about using what you have between the ears to think instead of relying on daily mail and express for your information Grahamite?

[arja] 22/6/2021 09:59

yet another intelligent response ! am waiting to hear about benefits from brexit ?

[grahamite2] 22/6/2021 09:57

Oh good, Mr Boring is back.

[minerve 2] 22/6/2021 09:53

Oh yes, Woody far more wealthy than you'll ever be too. How does that feel?

[minerve 2] 22/6/2021 09:52

sentiment

I didn't buy Woody, only WPCT with a 14% return over less than six months. Continue with the lie if you wish because that is the only way you can compete with me.

Pierre on the other hand, did hold BT.

[sentimental rules] 22/6/2021 09:50

tip from vermin

buy woody at whatever price


oh dear lord lol