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[utrickytrees] 31/5/2020 16:36

Japan haven't been adversely affected by the virus have they? Their Debt to GDP might actually start looking slightly attractive in 12 months time could be worth looking at a few Jap funds?

Bobster Derby's got the only velodrome in the midlands were hosting the cycling events for the 22 commonwealth games. That's when all the thefts started. We have a much better standard of ned down here, they all fancy making the team.

[alphorn] 31/5/2020 16:35

x5 - do your stories come from talking to someone on a bus?

Enid Blyton makes more sense.

[xxxxxy] 31/5/2020 16:34

. PeterA , Sunday, May 31, 2020, 08:58:That 12% of UK GDP is indeed an interesting statistic as evidence that the UK can easily survive without a formal TA, but it doesn't fully answer the question which you put in Q2 " Who needs whom the most?"Another element in the answer to that question should be evident in examining EU exports to the UK.The EU had a merchandise surplus with the UK of Euro 95billion in 2019, with motor vehicles from Germany representing a substantial proportion. Logically, that should be a persuasive and motivating issue for EU exporters who would have to suffer UK tariffs under WTO RULES, and if that is the result at January 2021, then the UK will collect those Net tariffs for the UK Exchequer.

[xxxxxy] 31/5/2020 16:33

Sydney Ashurst , Sunday, May 31, 2020, 08:19:Daniel Hannan has put his long experience as an MEP into words many times, and again in the Telegraph today"We are stumbling and groping towards no deal. It's not that either side exactly wants the talks to fail: London and Brussels already have quite enough on their plates with post-Covid recessions. Rather, it's that the EU has locked itself into a position that was designed not to get the best result for its 27 members, but to stop Brexit. Although several of the 27 now see the need for flexibility, flexibility is not the EU's forte. Like a mastodon, ponderous and purblind, it pounds towards the precipice."

[xxxxxy] 31/5/2020 16:31

Mike StallardPosted May 31, 2020 at 8:00 am | PermalinkThere is a rumour going round that Dominic Cummings is set to replace a lot of high Civil Servants (mainly pro EU ones) and also that there is a plot to lock us quietly into the new EU 7 year plan.Nobody could doubt that this is a very good time to bury bad news!I wondered for some time why all the fuss was being made about Dominic Cummings over what, actually, seemed a very common sense thing to do at the time. Stephen Kinnoch, did exactly the same thing and nobody castigated him!This rumour does go a long way to answering that question. EU again interfering in British politics – if it is true!

[xxxxxy] 31/5/2020 16:29

dixiePosted May 31, 2020 at 9:26 am | PermalinkYou may wish our neighbours well but that is clearly not reciprocated by their governing classes and conglomerates. Our governing and financial sectors have all too readily given away our rights, sovereignty, resources and industries to continentals who smile as they accept the "gifts" while sneering and abusing us.Time to stop be "treasure island" and start trading for mutual benefit, the EU countries will not accept that so focus on trade with countries that will.And we should dial back our military cooperation, as it is the European countries need make good their share of the costs, they have many years to catch up on.

[sikhthetech] 31/5/2020 16:25

Pierre,
"Lockdown in my view, should have taken the form of 'if you are old or if you have underlying medical conditions, then isolate yourselves for several weeks because if you cath it, you are likely to die. Otherwise, carry on as normal, with some obvious hygiene improvements to help stop modrate the spread. If you get symptoms, isolate yourself for 3 weeks."


That's what has happened, isn't it? vunerable people were shielded for 12 weeks, the rest started with 1 day of exercise, food/meds allowed, work from home then gradually more easing..


The virus doesn't discriminate... the point is if you have it then you can pass it onto others...

How many drs or nurses fighting Covid19 who would agree with you that the lockdown was wrong?

[pierre oreilly] 31/5/2020 16:10

With no lockdown, the deaths today would be so low that it would basically be over and done with - admittedly with loads more covid deaths than we've had. But now, we'll get a long drawn out affair with deaths gradualy dropping - it's not even clear whether overall deaths are higher or lower with lockdown in the long term. One things for sure, cancer deaths and all other deaths will be higher due to no treatemnt for 3 or 4 months, suicides will be higher (where's the stats on those?) and generally the feeling of hopelessness in tens of millions who have either lost their job or are about to means a more miserable existence for much of the population. Povrrty is linked to death, as poverty increases so do deaths. Overall, i think it's clear that deaths with lockdown are far higher than overall deaths (covid plus resultant) without lockdown, althout the rate of deaths (the only measure the gov were concerned with) are a lot less on days during the first 3/4/5 weeks.

And we have a knackered economy our kids will pay for for decades.

The way i decipher all the decent information is that basically, with a broad brush, kids aren;t affected, the under fifties are mildly affected if at all, and those older and those with existing conditions (at any age) are in danger of death. Obviously, those on deaths door are in danger of deaths from any additional ailment, including covid. (Sad but a fact - a fact which most think is heartless to state for some reason). Are people really surprised that there's a high proportion of deaths in care homes? Haven't those people ever been in a care home?).

(que - the beeb showed a 16 yo die with no underlying conditions, so that destroys pos views)..

Lockdown in my view, should have taken the form of 'if you are old or if you have underlying medical conditions, then isolate yourselves for several weeks because if you cath it, you are likely to die. Otherwise, carry on as normal, with some obvious hygiene improvements to help stop modrate the spread. If you get symptoms, isolate yourself for 3 weeks.

[sikhthetech] 31/5/2020 16:06

JL,

"what if we are wrong!!!"


Did Sars or Mers effect US???

Trump initially said it won't effect US... he then said it will all be gone by Easter...

They now have 102,000 deaths and over 1m infectons..


Brazil don't seem to be doing much....

UK have eased locked down and thousands heading for seaside and parks...

300 ppl a day dying is equivalent to a plane crash every day!!!

Was it right to ground 737Max planes when hundreds of others have been flying without incident???

Prevention..

[jl5006] 31/5/2020 15:59

sikht

There are facts and suppositions.
just a guess - more or less similar - we managed SARS and MERS - without destroying the economy - but the experts - unprepared for any repetition - though they were in charge of emergency planning - convinced BJ - tho DC/BJ were not in favour - to fxxk the UK even though they did at no time sensibly question - what if we are wrong!!!

[bargainbob] 31/5/2020 15:58

jl5006 Nicola Sturgeon saying England figures are not reliable and understated ,the truth will come out either way.

[sikhthetech] 31/5/2020 15:51

Max
" and Greece 10 mill."


Totals for:
Japanese population 126m... twice UK's population.. few infections against 700 at it's height.

South Korea 52m, similar to UK's.. 11.5k infections, 270 deaths..


UK around 300 deaths and 2,000 new infections EVERY day...

[sikhthetech] 31/5/2020 15:49

JL

"mortality rate like seasonal flu."

Covid19 with a Lockdown, seasonal flu without a lockdown... so you can't compare the two...


What would the Covid19 death rate be if there was no lockdown?

[jl5006] 31/5/2020 15:44

Max - and similarly so here.

[maxidi] 31/5/2020 15:40

90% of Italian deaths were people who were very ill from other complications.

[maxidi] 31/5/2020 15:38

Oh! and Greece 10 mill.

[maxidi] 31/5/2020 15:35

USA pop. 320 mill UK 66 mill. Just to put it into perspective.

[sikhthetech] 31/5/2020 15:20

xxxxxy,

"If the rationale for shutting down and trashing the UK economy was to 'protect the NHS', then why, with most hospitals largely empty, is the economy still shut down"


It's not just UK though, is it?

Countries around the world shut down... Do you think countries around the world shut down because of the UK???

There is a real threat, an invisible killer.... If there wasn't a lockdown then the NHS would have been overwhelmed and I think the number of deaths would have been in the hundreds of thousands, like it is in USA...



Greece has had fewer deaths and infections during the ENTIRE period of lockdown than UK has in ONE DAY...
and they locked down very quickly.

[alphorn] 31/5/2020 15:18

Boris Johnson told EU leaders they have until September to strike a deal amid fears they are 'running down the clock', as crucial Brexit talks are due to resume this week......... But the Prime Minister has warned that any delays from Brussels will not persuade the UK to extend the transition period past December 31.

..........actually no. It is 30 June latest to extend, ie in 4 weeks time.

[xxxxxy] 31/5/2020 14:46

m clarke31 May 2020 2:04PMIs it true, Warner, that you were very upset that the coup, organised by despicable, depraved individuals, including Sedwilll, to extend Brexit, when Boris was on his deathbed, was stopped by Dominic?

[xxxxxy] 31/5/2020 14:44

Pierre Bezuhov31 May 2020 2:07PMIf the rationale for shutting down and trashing the UK economy was to 'protect the NHS', then why, with most hospitals largely empty, is the economy still shut down, when the true mortality rate of the Corona virus has been exposed in numerous independent studies (except in the mainstream media of the West, and except by any politicians in the West) as being the same as seasonal flu?Ah, yes - there is no 'conspiracy', of course.Then how else do you explain the fact that all mainstream media, and all politicians, are completely ignoring and suppressing news about the many independent studies that all say the same thing:  that the Corona virus has a mortality rate of 0.02, the same as seasonal flu?And how do you explain the fact that if you try to post links to these studies (as I have tried to do on numerous occasions) they are instantly deleted?

[xxxxxy] 31/5/2020 14:42

Richard Vine31 May 2020 2:13PMGiven that supply chains to Europe have become almost extinct, now is the perfect time to be leaving the EU. As businesses come out of hibernation they can do so in light of the new reality. We have left the EU and it will be on WTO terms.

[xxxxxy] 31/5/2020 14:40

Seems Sturgeon is trying to build a Berlin Wall between England and Scotland. Very sad. And Mad.