Lloyds Banking Share Discussion Threads

[chavitravi2] 20/5/2020 11:08

TRCML, that still leaves the big money boys to sell what they don't own (a crime in the real world) and manipulate the shares and value in that company. It's not unreal to think previously they did not have one penny invested there. It's just the target of the week/month to make some lovely money at someone else's expense.

[k38] 20/5/2020 11:02

No deal the best deal !!

[gotnorolex] 20/5/2020 10:58

The Bruges Group really digging their heels in now over delusional Barnier.
Barnier left red faced as UK negotiator David Frost destroys EU argument in three points

[trcml] 20/5/2020 10:51

"You want to have the cake and eat it...regardless or up or down..."

I cannot think of any other market-place where it's possible to make money whether prices go up or own. (At least not any other that so readily grasped as the stock market).

One thing I omitted to mention in my op is that the second-hand aspect of the stock market is popular with private investors because people love a market and bargain-hunting. Also, with an IPO, although there can be first mover advantage, an IPO is arguably riskier because there is no certainty of not over-paying. The second-hand market provides an element of reassurance that the price would not be as is if other buyers had doubts.

[arjun] 20/5/2020 10:39

YY let's hope it does..... but currently it cant break 30p that's what's a bit of a concern ?

[yasyas1] 20/5/2020 10:32

Will this ever go above 35p again i wonder

[m4rtinu] 20/5/2020 10:32

Trcml - a good post, though I am against shorting myself. Not sure if inverted snobbery but IIs/hedge funds do seem to hold too much power. I suppose the stock market (as you say mostly 2nd hand) is about speculation. Some informed, some backed by deep pockets, some aggressive. It seems a glorified casino in some ways. But, we kind of all know what goes on even if we don't fully understand. As a PI with shallow pockets, I am probably a lamb to the slaughter. Certainly on Lloyds but hopefully not in OptiBiotix. Opti.L

[diku] 20/5/2020 10:27

You want to have the cake and eat it...regardless or up or down...

[trcml] 20/5/2020 10:17

Companies float on the stock market to raise capital cheaply by selling shares in the company in exchange for the attraction of a dividend if the company does well and can afford to be generous. Reflecting the company's confidence in itself, to pay dividends regardless, also to minimise tax, many companies have taken on more debt than they should've done. The process weakens the balance sheet such that companies are obliged to put on a brave face and a positive shine to results even though it is apparent to anyone able to understand the accounts and read between the lines that all is not well.

As there is nothing to prevent a buyer of a share from transferring (selling) to someone who didn't provide any capital to the company, a second-hand market has been created.

The second-hand market is a paradise for wheeler-dealiers and the ingenious. Although most investors think of gain as the product of an increase in value, ie when a share price goes up, in practice gain is simply the difference between buying price and selling price. Consequently, there is gain when the share price goes down (shorting or put options) so why should 'shorting' be against the ethos of the stock market? The short answer (excuse the pun) is imo inverted snobbery.

[gotnorolex] 20/5/2020 10:17

Golden geese are more expensive to feed! So if you want them on your board, vote for their packages!

[minerve 2] 20/5/2020 10:16

Putain, on va taper... C'est pas vrai!

[chavitravi2] 20/5/2020 10:15

Extrovert, exactly, you would get a True picture of the market and a company if people could only sell what they actually own and go a long way to stopping the manipulation. To me shorting has always been detrimental to the honest share holder who has bought in in good faith and seen there share price dive and at times the company put in trouble that should not have been.

[gotnorolex] 20/5/2020 10:11

We'll have an update on credit impairments tomorrow, it's bound to be horrendous! Would have been worse if they didn't take more care in lending to SMEs.

[scruff1] 20/5/2020 09:55

And it's just another example of how degenerate society has become. Got me on one here Starbucks. :-)

[scruff1] 20/5/2020 09:51

And as usual for the guys it's about tax avoudance

[scruff1] 20/5/2020 09:50

Always disliked shorting. Against the whole ethos of the stock market imo. It's supposed to be about helping companies move ahead and trying to benefit from success. Shorting makes failure the goal. Crackers.

[dead_cat_bounce] 20/5/2020 09:48

UK needs to bend over for our mate Michel Barnier and accept the EU 'state aid rules' level playing field' proposal along with the rest the EU has laid out or its offski on your lonesomes lads...

I have my Whack-A-Molé and pilgrims favourite stocked up to toast the cliff edge exit of the UK from the EU.

Bulk purchase of popcorn for the lead-up... But must watch my salt intake...

Lads, June you should walk, or maybe you'll bottle it, again...!

Brexit going well lads...? LOL

[diku] 20/5/2020 09:44

Whose money is it?...now what happens if PI's stop putting money into the market directly or via fundies or ISAs or other financial instruments...would that finally get a wake up call to overhaul the system and the remuneration payouts?...



The problem is being FTSE 100 stocks these banks and big insurers have had FTSE 100 tracker funds buying them cos they have to

[extrovert] 20/5/2020 09:39

If you stopped shorting all the big boys would start moaning, a level playing field would mean that they would not be able to manipulate the markets in the way that they do. The Americans would rob their own relatives to make more money. When they are caught out they are slapped with small fines after making millions and it is back to the same sort of business the next day. The Yanks run all the markets and do as they please and everyone just lets them carry on manipulating the indices and derivative markets. imo

[utrickytrees] 20/5/2020 09:29

What issue gecko? I know he does.

[chavitravi2] 20/5/2020 09:19

DW, I for one agree. We have seen it here this last week or two how mm's have manipulated this one share allown. How many good and viable companies have gone to the wall with shorting? Shorting should be illegal, after all in the real world you go to jail if you sell something you dont own.

[buywell3] 20/5/2020 09:13

The problem is being FTSE 100 stocks these banks and big insurers have had FTSE 100 tracker funds buying them cos they have to

Daft ain't it

Destruction of capital on a massive scale IMO

dyor

[diku] 20/5/2020 09:11

I read Sir John Redwood articles from XXXXX...the rest are a bit toooooooooo long...so just skip them...prefer the one liners!...