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[minerve 2] 04/7/2019 20:10

'British' is almost a synonym of 'unsophisticated' today.

You see them on their holidays this time of year. Shorts, football shirts, beer guts, bold heads and a vacant look - innit mate.

What you staring at tough internet boy, I'm gonna punch your lights out!

LOL

[xxxxxy] 04/7/2019 20:07

A determined Prime Minister can ensure we are out of the EU by 31st October

For too long we have witnessed this Parliament trying to delay or dilute Brexit. The very institution the British people has trusted to govern us has shown a pathetic reluctance to take on the task. Instead of leading us proudly and sensibly out of the EU, Parliament has served the EU’s interests by making up problem after problem where there is no issue, and exaggerating every complexity. It has been a sorry case of Parliament against the people. We are now close to the Conservative Party electing a new leader who will be committed to our exit by 31st October. Boris Johnson – who has my support and is likely to win – has told us we will leave then, “do or die”. Jeremy Hunt has shifted closer to saying we must leave by that date. Yet there are still some in the Remain-supporting media who trot out the falsehood that as there is no majority for a so-called no-deal exit, Parliament will not allow such a departure. The first thing to grasp is there is no such thing as a no-deal exit. Despite the weak and lacklustre negotiation conducted by Mrs May, there are various agreements and arrangements ready for our exit without signing the Withdrawal Treaty. There are haulage, customs, government procurement and aviation agreements and arrangements. The EU has set out how they will handle such an exit, and the UK Government says they too are ready, after three years to prepare for just such an eventuality. There is no great problem with the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland/EU. It is today a complex border, with different rates and coverage of VAT and Excise taxes, and different currencies. The necessary calculations and payments for most trade are not made at the border, but by computer away from the border with settlement to the relevant tax authorities against electronic manifests of the consignment. So too could any tariffs and customs adjustments be done. There is no UK need to put new barriers and impediments on the border once we leave. How could Parliament seek to prevent exit without the Withdrawal Treaty? Some say Parliament could pass a motion to condemn a so called “no-deal”; exit. As we are due to leave in both UK and EU law, a motion would not trump that legal obligation. There would also be a need to define a “no-deal exit”. Some say the forces of the Opposition could somehow grab control of parliamentary business and pass an Act of Parliament amending UK law to delay or cancel our exit. It is difficult to see how. Of course, a parliamentary process to repeal the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act and the EU Withdrawal Act could keep us in the EU, but I do not believe even this Parliament would dare to try that or have a majority to do so. Parliament would need to take down the Government first anyway, assuming a government still hostile to the idea of staying in against the results of the referendum. Parliament would then need to form a pro-EU government, establish a majority for the repeal, argue and vote it through against strong opposition and ignore the hostile response of the public who expect Labour and Conservative MPs to fulfil their manifesto pledges to get us out. It is important to grasp that EU law is superior to UK law. As we are leaving in EU law on 31st October, that can only be stopped by amending the EU law as well as the UK law. Mrs May delayed our exit because she wanted to. The Prime Minister can request a delay to our exit, and will get one if the EU consents. That is how EU law was changed to keep us in from April to October. Assuming a Prime Minister is determined to get us out, there will be no request for delay and therefore no further delay. Could Parliament instruct the Prime Minister to request a delay? That too would be difficult with a determined Prime Minster. The Government controls the Order Paper, moves money resolutions and possesses Crown prerogative. These are all necessary for the passage of legislation. Nor could Parliament require delay, as it is a deal between the UK Government and the EU. They can only require the Prime Minister to seek a delay, not mandate a delay. My conclusion is that a determined Prime Minister can get us out.

John Redwood Brexit Central

[maxk] 04/7/2019 20:05

Whilst bigger fools look on, eh careful?

[careful] 04/7/2019 19:30

Trump is getting more like Kim.
Also those Russian parades in Red Square in the good old days.

Trump is a moron, but his base will love it.
Nationalism on the rise.
Farage knows what he is doing, he is tapping into patriotism and nationalism in the uk. The unsophisticated fall for it, and there are millions of them.

Patriotism is a powerful force. Adolf knew that.

[sarkasm] 04/7/2019 19:10

US military parade inspired by Paris's July 14 event

Planned celebrations in Washington DC, dubbed by US President Donald Trump as a 'Salute to America', have proved controversial

American Independence Day celebrations in Washington DC will feature something new this year - a military parade inspired by President Donald Trump's visit to France in 2017, when he was a guest of President Emmanuel Macron for France's July 14 celebrations.

Mr Trump was clearly impressed by the fete nationale celebrations in Paris two years ago. He returned to America saying he wanted to emulate the military parade and has previously tried to organise one.

The July 4 celebration is set to feature military bands and flyovers from the US navy’s Blue Angels and Air Force One, as well as M1 Abrams battle tanks. It could also include a B-2 bomber, F-35 and F-22 fighter jets and the Marine One helicopter, according to the Pentagon.

But the planned celebrations, dubbed by the President as a 'Salute to America', have proved controversial. Historically, presidents have maintained a low profile during Independence Day celebrations.

He is set to deliver a speech at the Lincoln Memorial. White House officials insist that he will avoid partisan politics and stick to patriotic themes.

Officials in Washington DC have warned that the cost of repairing any damage to the city's streets caused by heavy military vehicles must be covered by the President, rather than taxpayers in the city.

In France, there is increasing opposition to the July 14 military parade in Paris. The July edition of Connexion features arguments from both sides of the argument. To read the debate, you can pick up a pdf version of the paper here.

[careful] 04/7/2019 19:08

Another embarrassing incident in Gibraltar.
UK seized Iranian tanker in Spanish Waters.

Americas poodle, we are already a Vassal state.

Hate the way things are going.
After Brexit America will be ruling the UK, we shall have to do as we are told.

[careful] 04/7/2019 19:00

latest polls show Labour in 4th place at 18%.
Not much to choose between Tories, Brexit and Lib Dems.

Interesting to see how the Brexit and Lib Dem vote will be shared out in 2022 General election.

if Tories get a decent deal then they will win easily.

[sarkasm] 04/7/2019 18:54

hernando2
4 Jul '19 - 18:33 - 263641 of 263641

USA wants the eu to bear more cost regarding the defence of europe

USA wants to its expense in Nato to be reduced

As soon as france and germany seem to increase their comittement, it seems that
they are then critized for preparing for some sort of outlandish offence

The 3 countries producing the most milatary arms is USA ,UK and RUSSIA

Give europe a break

[poikka] 04/7/2019 18:53

maxk 361

Not a whisper on BBC online about the shenanigans going on with regard to the nominations for the top jobs in Brussels, not a fugging whisper!

[hernando2] 04/7/2019 18:33

Well i am surprised we haven't heard more from those that are fans of the EU.

The formal announcement of the official move to a United States of Europe, will be very good i am sure, the move to a more fully integrated model will mean more powers going to the centre including such issues as the setting of taxes including corporation tax, great for all of the newer countries.

I also see the news of an EU army being a great opportunity for France, if the EU chooses a NATO type model , then of course France will be the biggest contributor and will no doubt want to have their armed forces paid for the by the EU Administration.

And with the UK perhaps leaving it will mean that they will supply the majority of the command structure and so it will be in essence a French Army paid for by the EU.

I see the move towards full integration , led by appointees whom the EU parliament have no say in appointing, to be a fine example of a caring and citizen led EU administration.

[blueclyde] 04/7/2019 18:21

This is behaving like the proverbial dog. It's hard to gauge what impact the buy backs are actually having if they keep issuing new shares.

[ianood] 04/7/2019 18:08

m4rtinu - NRBS was nearly entirely dependent upon wholesale funding and failed when the markets dried up after the US led subprime mortgage crisis. I don't see the similarity?

[alphorn] 04/7/2019 17:05

"Poikka, Crossing and myself"

Really good news - need a few more.

[maxk] 04/7/2019 15:08

The nu Führer might come up with something.

[grahamite2] 04/7/2019 15:06

The printed inserts must have been done some time ago. But today, by e-mail from Brandon Lewis, we get the updated versions.

Hunt is now explicitly saying "we walk away if the EU refuse to budge." But it's too little too late. His overwhelming focus is still on some damn deal.

[grahamite2] 04/7/2019 14:38

Crossing, in other circumstances Hunt's programme might be quite compelling. But not now.

[crossing_the_rubicon] 04/7/2019 14:22

@Graham,

I don't believe the former, and far too many spending promises(whilst cutting taxes!)
Fiscal lunacy.

[minerve 2] 04/7/2019 14:12

"selling points"

Selling points or bribes? You decide. I've already made my mind up. :)

[minerve 2] 04/7/2019 14:11

Continue guys, just think about yourselves as always. Don't mind us, we are just observers.

Grahamite, you have the brain of a dog, unfortunately you are so stupid you don't see it.

Internet tough guy!

ROFLMAO!

Does Grayling count as one of the oracles?

[grahamite2] 04/7/2019 14:01

Both candidates have numerous selling points they want to make, but the first for each is:

The xxx who has the skills, experience and relationships to negotiate a better Brexit deal without the backstop

yyy will deliver Brexit by 31 October, deal or no deal

[maxk] 04/7/2019 13:44

This is not democracy': European Parliament unites to condemn selection of new EU Commission president behind closed doors

'None of the presidents on the council would accept this being done in their countries. It would be taken to a constitutional court,' says leader of largest group



Jon Stone Europe Correspondent @joncstone


The European Parliament’s political groups have united to condemn the selection of the next European Commission president, branding the process an undemocratic stitch-up by national governments.


EU leaders chose Ursula von der Leyen as their pick to replace Jean-Claude Juncker as the leader of the EU’s executive branch despite the fact she was not on the ballot paper as a candidate and has no manifesto.

The European Council effectively ignored the European Parliament’s spitzenkandiat or “lead candidate” system, which was supposed to inject an element of democracy into the selection of Commission president – instead nominating the defence minister, who is largely unknown outside Germany.

“I'm not going to congratulate the Council. President Tusk, I cannot support how things were done and the lack of respect that you've shown to other institutions,” said Gonzalez Pons, spokesman for the dominant centre-right EPP group in the Parliament.

The EPP’s criticism of the process is notable because Ms von der Leyen, a member of Angela Merkel’s CDU party, is actually a member of the EPP.


Mr Pons continued: “The future of Europe can no longer be decided behind closed doors. The spizenkandidat process is not about one person or one name - the citizens of Europe want to elect the person who is governing Europe. This is not revolutionary, this is democracy.

“The Council has the right to propose a candidate to lead the Commission to lead the parliament. However what the Council doesn't have the right to do is to ignore all the candidates that have been voted for by European citizens.”


He said the approach of carving up other top jobs taken by EU leaders was “clearly against the treaties”.

"You were telling the parliament who it should nominate as president of our chamber! You are now at the point where you're deciding who is in charge of the ECB as if there was one more political nomination. This is not democracy - you are supporting the eurosceptics, even the nationalists. None of the presidents on the council would accept this being done in their countries. It would be taken to a constitutional court,” he said.



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[grahamite2] 04/7/2019 13:09

Poikka, Crossing and myself!

[minerve 2] 04/7/2019 13:00

Farage?
Banks?
Boris?
IDS?
Mog?

ROFLMAO!