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[minerve 2] 19/6/2019 16:49

Brexit futures just keep on giving.....

[xxxxxy] 19/6/2019 16:30

GBPEUR=X 1.1257 +0.0042 +0.3745% EUR 4:30PM BST

[xxxxxy] 19/6/2019 16:29

Richard Maedje 19 Jun 2019 4:21PM

The EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU economically. There is not a financial analyst alive who finds this controversial or even debatable.



The EU commission is exercising a luxury as the make believe bully on the playground- that is until the UK were to exit with no deal and the EU does not get its silly 39 billion.

Does everyone realize... and please do, the EU also can't afford to lose the money the UK pays into their coffers.



The EU has much to lose. It will negotiate the second the UK leaves and questions why there are so many German products being sold in the UK without higher tariffs or at all.



It will take but moments for the German producers to brush aside the kids in the commission and tell them they had better stop playing these games with the UK or they will be removed.



Follow the money.



Finally, Boris Johnson made clear that not only did the EU need to make an actuarial accounting of what it thinks the UK owes the EU upon a divorce, but he hinted clearly there may be money in greater numbers owed the UK for infrastructure investments the UK has given to the EU. What is fair is fair.



So, for those who think the EU is at an advantage over poor little Britain, I will leave you in possession of your error.

[careful] 19/6/2019 16:25

So Labour official policy is now for a second referendum.

[xxxxxy] 19/6/2019 16:25

Boycott support for the Con and Labour party of QUISLINGS.

Support the BREXIT Party.


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[xxxxxy] 19/6/2019 16:23

BCL
Posted June 19, 2019 at 6:10 am | Permalink

I don’t mind who the other candidate is in the final two so long as Boris is there. In a way I’m pleased Mr Raab was eliminated because had the members vote been him and Boris it would have been a more difficult decision for me. Boris and anyone else is easy and it’s Boris. My MP is Gillian Keegan, a Rory Stewart supporter. I don’t know why they don’t both go and join the Liberals. They have more in common with them that the Tories.

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JoolsB
Posted June 19, 2019 at 9:55 am | Permalink

Problem is BCL your MP is not alone. Most of the current PCP have more in common with the Lib Dums than they do with the Tories. If they all upped and joined the parties they’d really be more at home in, there’d be no Tory party left. Nigel Farage has got more Conservative values in his little finger than most of them put together.

[bbalanjones] 19/6/2019 15:56

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UK taxpayer funds the former empires of France, Portugal and Spain

The EU’s 9 additional locations comprising Jean-Claude Juncker's nether regions . . .

Typical statement from Eurohaters. . . the little Englander mobs blinkered views spewed forth. One major fault in the prurient claims ; there is NO MENTION of all of OUR Overseas Dependencies cost that come out of the same Europot.

IDIOTS.

[minerve 2] 19/6/2019 14:41

Normal people don't think pulling away at traffic lights the fastest is important. That is for morons, which you certainly are!

LOL

[shy tott] 19/6/2019 14:33

Well that's a surprise - I thought Minerve2 was an interesting posting style for you, and his is the opposite of mine. I'm normal (ish).

[xxxxxy] 19/6/2019 13:57

So.

The EUSSR is not worth spitting on.


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[xxxxxy] 19/6/2019 13:57

all print of Theresa May’s (STEWART) Brexit deal

The top 40 horrors: [here I am showing the second 20]
21. Articles 40-49 practically mandate the UK’s ongoing membership of the Customs Union in all but name.
22. The UK will be charged to receive the data/information we need in order to comply with EU law. (Article 50)
23. The EU will continue to set rules for UK intellectual property law (Article 54 to 61)
24. The UK will effectively be bound by a non-disclosure agreement swearing us to secrecy regarding any EU developments we have paid to be part. This is not mutual. The EU is not bound by such measures. (Article 74)
25. The UK is bound by EU rules on procurement rules – which effectively forbids us from seeking better deals elsewhere. (Articles 75 to 78)
26. We give up all rights to any data the EU made with our money (Art. 103)
27. The EU decide capital projects (too broadly defined) the UK is liable for. (Art. 144)
28. The UK is bound by EU state aid laws until future agreement ̵1; even in the event of an agreement, this must wait four years to be valid. (Article 93)
29. Similar advantages and immunities are extended to all former MEPs and to former EU official more generally. (Articles 106-116)
30. The UK is forbidden from revealing anything the EU told us or tells us about the finer points of deal and its operation. (Article 105).
31. Any powers the UK parliament might have had to mitigate EU law are officially removed. (Article 128)
32. The UK shall be liable for any “outstanding commitments” after 2022 (Article 142(2) expressly mentions pensions, which gives us an idea as to who probably negotiated this). The amount owed will be calculated by the EU. (Articles 140-142)
33. The UK will be liable for future EU lending. As anyone familiar with the EU’s financials knows, this is not good. (Article143)
34. The UK will remain liable for capital projects approved by the European Investment Bank. (Article 150).
35. The UK will remain a ‘party’ (i.e. cough up money) for the European Development Fund. (Articles 152-154)
36. And the EU continues to calculate how much money the UK should pay it. So thank goodness Brussels does not have any accountancy issues.
37. The UK will remain bound (i.e coughing up money) to the European Union Emergency Trust Fund – which deals with irregular migration (i.e. refugees) and displaced persons heading to Europe. (Article 155)
38. The agreement will be policed by ‘the Authority’ – a new UK-based body with ‘powers equivalent to those of the European Commission’. (Article 159)
39. The EU admits, in Art. 184, that it is in breach of  Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty which oblige it to “conclude an agreement” of the terms of UK leaving the EU. We must now, it seems, “negotiate expeditiously the agreements governing their future relationship.” And if the EU does not? We settle down to this Agreement.
40. And, of course, the UK will agree to pay £40bn to receive all of these ‘privileges217;. (Article 138)
Ref:

[xxxxxy] 19/6/2019 13:55

UK taxpayer funds the former empires of France, Portugal and Spain

The EU’s 9 additional locations comprising Jean-Claude Juncker's nether regions


Two of the 'Outermost Regions' - © EU Commission

Cost : €13.3 billion in 2014-2020
Children in British schools are taught that there are 28 member states of the European Union. The majority of adults know this too, even if most would be hard-placed to name them all. Naturally the EU is assumed to be all in Europe.

But did you know about the EU’s tropical members, parts of the former colonial empires of France, Portugal and Spain? And did you know that the British taxpayer has been funding these offshore paradises?

BREXIT FACTS4EU.ORG SUMMARY


The EU’s nine ‘Outermost Regions’

6 are former French colonies (French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Mayotte, Réunion & Saint Martin)
2 are former Portuguese colonies (the Azores & Madeira)
1 is a former Spanish colony (the Canary Islands)
Cost to EU taxpayers 2014-2020: €13.3 billion
NOTE: These (mostly) tropical islands now have special legal statuses but we’ve used the term ‘colonies̵7;, as they were part of the empires of each country.

Where are these places and what are they like?
Here is how the EU Commission describes them:-

“Archipelagos off the coast of Africa, isolated islands in the Indian Ocean, strings of islands in the Caribbean basin as well as Amazonian lands”
- Corina CREŢU, European Commissioner for Regional Policy

Despite being located thousands of kilometres from the European continent, the EU’s nine ‘Outermost Regions’ are part of the EU.



They are not the same as the EU Overseas Countries and Territories (OCTs). There are 25 OCTs but they are not part of the Single Market and must comply with the obligations imposed on third countries.

What the UK taxpayer is paying for
The Outermost Regions are the beneficiaries of EU citizens’ taxpayer cash each year. The money comes from a variety of EU funds which we are able to reveal below.

BREXIT FACTS4EU.ORG SUMMARY
Some of the 'EU funding' UK taxpayers are paying for

EU FUNDS FOR OUTERMOST REGIONS 2014-2020 € BILLIONS
European Regional Development Fund, special allocations & European Territorial Cooperation € 5.0
European Social Fund (ESF), including Youth Employment Initiative € 1.9
European Agricultural Fund for Rural Development € 1.5
EAGF - Remoteness & Insularity programmes, from the European Agricultural Guarantee Fund € 4.6
European Maritime and Fisheries Fund € 0.3
TOTAL € 13.3 bn


© EU Commission

Legal Status
Article 349 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union gives the Outermost Regions a special status. The Article provides for the adoption of specific measures within the framework of European law. A Court of Justice judgement in 2015 clarified the scope of this.

The Outermost Regions of Jean-Claude Juncker
In 2017, EU Commission President, Jean-Claude Juncker, talked about the Outermost Regions having special policies within the EU:

“I have always paid particular attention to the nine regions we call the outermost regions, which are first and foremost European regions, and which project Europe's presence in the world. This strategy, which provides the basis for a renewed, strengthened and privileged partnership, is a new specific example of a Europe that protects, provides the means to act and offers equal opportunities to everyone.”
- EU Commission President Juncker, 24 Oct 2017

OBSERVATIONS
Dear reader, you are probably someone to whom €13.3 billion (approx £11.7 billion GBP) is not a lot of money. However you may feel that the weary British taxpayer might have wanted to know about how some of his or her hard-earned is spent by EU Commissioners.

Worry not, some of these unelected Commissioners have personally visited these exotic, tropical paradises on behalf of citizens, to ensure that the money is being well-spent. No doubt that will be a load off for you.

So often, the UK benefits so little

We have previously reported on the way in which some EU countries seem able to receive money for all manner of things, which in the UK would automatically be assumed to be the responsibility of the member state government.

When we first started investigating the EU’s Outermost Regions, we thought we would find some British possessions on the list. After all, the British Empire was the largest in the World – three times larger than the French empire at its height, in terms of population of the colonies concerned.

Despite this, it is the French who dominate the list and the UK is absent.

[xxxxxy] 19/6/2019 13:50

17+ MILLION VOTED TO LEAVE

17 million is a big political movement and has significant purchasing power. Time to start to think about using this.

And there are Dutch bulbs to think about. Dutch Tulips
REALLY THINK HARD BEFORE BUYING ANYTHING from EUSSR
Spanish holiday. Irish holiday. French wine. Belgian chocolate. Think. Etc

The People, at least 17 million can act as well as Parliament.

People. Gloves off. Time to BOYCOTT the EU. The Elite have crushed and twisted and swindled our Democracy. But the People have teeth too and it is time to bare them,

The 'Withdrawal Agreement' cobbled together by May and a two-faced Conservative Party is now no more – is it? Trying to fob off the The Referendum Result and sell this 'agreement' with Fear.

But in effect it is REMAIN all dressed up in new clothing and method. This will never be harmonious, and now may be the time to consider various campaigns such as whether to buy German cars for example.

17 million voted against staying in the EU. That is a lot of buying power. Think before buy now.

Campaign. The politicians have not listened. The Economic War. THE PEOPLE RULE OK!

German cars and apes


German cars unfinished business


And there is the consideration of Continental European wine. Many fine and exciting wines found outside Europe.

Millions of songbirds vacuumed to death every year during Mediterranean olive harvest




The EUSSR has stated publicly it wants to HURT the UK. We too can HURT the EUSSR too, particularly Germany and Vichy France. Spanish holiday. Irish holiday. French wine. Belgian chocolate. Think.


The People can vote and not be listened to. BUT THE PEOPLE CAN ACT . Think before buying from the EUSSR

Pass it on. BOYCOTT the EUSSR. Tusck wants us to go to Hell – the very Gestapo and Mafia thinking that still lies at the heart of the EUSSR

Pass it on. Thank-you

[alphorn] 19/6/2019 13:01

ST - I read your posts as they can contain interesting views. Whether you understand my posts or not is another issue. They may contain side arguments as any poster on this board who has any remain views is in a minority group of perhaps 4.

The idea that combined poster views can help others, mentioned by mm2 a while back, has quickly gone by the wayside.

I would be more than pleased if successful allocations/positions could be replicated by others. It did happen on some threads that are now closed, extremely profitably.

[willoicc] 19/6/2019 12:58

I spent most of the programme wishing Rory Stewart would stop talking over everyone else. He was even worse than the BBC woman.

[ladeside] 19/6/2019 12:25

Not read all the posts but Rory Stewart came across pretty well last night I thought. He was the only one who was truthful and believable where the rest of them just talked over each other and tried to sell their story like a rather pathetic used car salesman.

I certainly wouldn't be purchasing from any of them...........

[careful] 19/6/2019 12:18

Labour seem to be slowly moving towards, second referendum, revoke, remain.
An interesting judgement.

It seems many are coming to the conclusion that remain now commands a decent majority.
'lets call the whole thing off'.
Things have changed since June 2016.

So we have Boris's Tories going head on fighting for the remnants of the Brexit leave voters with Farage's crowd.
The SPD, Labour voting for the status quo, lets forget it ever happened group.

[xxxxxy] 19/6/2019 12:16

BBC. The rotten corrupt channel.

BBC. The channel that smells of putrefaction.

[maxk] 19/6/2019 12:14

Remainer wet dreams are made of this....




Live Tory leadership news: Rory Stewart says he is in talks with Michael Gove about 'combining forces






Christopher Hope, chief political correspondent
19 JUNE 2019 • 12:09PM


Rory Stewart has said he is in talks with Michael Gove about combining forces to defeat Boris Johnson.

Put together the pair would be left with the support of 78 MPs - almost certainly a figure which will be enough to put one of them into the final two to face Boris Johnson and the membership.




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[xxxxxy] 19/6/2019 12:06

Stewart is the Useful Idiot now.

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[xxxxxy] 19/6/2019 12:02

The EUSSR is FAECAL.

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