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[scruff1] 27/1/2021 08:52

Just to add that I dont want to deny the seriousness of Covid but I have lost all faith in officialdom - at any level. To me that is one of the biggest victims of the response to this pandemic

[scruff1] 27/1/2021 08:45

M2
Totally agree. After 12 months we should be getting more than simple totals.
eg 20k more cases today. Where in the country? How are these divided amongst age groups? Where did they catch it - care homes? Hospitals?, Family?, Work?
1600 deaths - Where? which age groups? How many had no other conditions? Without this sort of information the stats are largely meaningless imo

[mikemichael2] 27/1/2021 08:44

Nothing on Panorama about how they are catching it, or BBC and ITV's reviews this morning. They must be doing something wrong!!

[kkclimber56] 27/1/2021 08:38

I am nor aware of any other way of catching it other than through contact with other people.I did not see last nights panorama but I doubt if even one of those who had lost a relative said anything about regretting not exercising more care.

[mikemichael2] 27/1/2021 08:28

Tragic story's this morning of individual family's dealing with the death of loved ones. Lots of charts and graphs. NO charts and graphs or story's of how these people are catching it, I want to know why ?? Are they doing something wrong ? Are they breaking the rules ? Nothing is ever said about this.

We need to know.

[xxxxxy] 27/1/2021 08:12

Trade with the EUJANUARY 27, 2021 6 COMMENTSThe EU has failed to approve the Astra Zeneca vaccine and have said they need to take more time to check  it out. Now they are also saying that they want more of it delivered than the company can currently produce. That is a matter to be sorted out between the EU and the company. Some in the EU then threaten to interrupt exports contracted by customers outside the EU as punishment for difficulties in supplying sufficient vaccine under another contract. Supporters of  the EU are always telling us they uphold the legal and international order. This looks like the opposite.The EU are also making life difficult for business in GB, Northern Ireland and the Republic by their interpretation of rules and the Protocol.It is high time the U.K. legislated to restore the integrity of the U.K. single market. No goods going to and from GB and Northern Ireland should face any additional impediments compared to transit of goods within GB. Any goods certified to travel onto the Republic from Northern Ireland can be treated in accordance with EU import requirements by agreement between the EU and U.K. or by the EU at their border

[xxxxxy] 27/1/2021 08:08

John Redwood@johnredwood·54mThe EU's threats to trade in vaccines is a warning to us. We need to increase our own ability to make and grow things at home, not rely on too many EU imports. A new fishing, farming, energy and manufacturing policy is needed.

[jkitwm] 27/1/2021 07:26

yeah min2 infests this site with his lump of elephant poo day in day out

hes still asleep, sleeping off his £4 bottle of prosecco again

No sense, no friends, no family, NO HOPE






stansmith3
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aeros

yes this indeed nutjob ground zero

dont go away though, treat it like a zoo that you visit

[scruff1] 27/1/2021 07:10

asa8
DITTO

[maxk] 27/1/2021 07:03

The EU's vaccine fiasco threatens the very future of Project Europe

The botched vaccination rollout has been a reputational disaster, proving the European Union to be a petty and dysfunctional bloc


LIAM HALLIGAN
26 January 2021 • 10:00pm
Liam Halligan






The EU’s Covid vaccination programme is a fiasco. So badly has the bloc bungled its vaccine rollout that an escalating row between Brussels and the 27 member states, to say nothing of voter outrage, is damaging “project Europe” itself.

At the start of the pandemic, the European Commission decided that it would take responsibility for sourcing the vaccines, despite its limited competence in the area. It reasoned that its size and the “efficiency” of its bureaucracy would enable it to seize a lead on its rivals in the vaccine race, and show the tangible benefits of European unity.

Instead the experiment has turned into a catastrophe. The UK has administered 10.3 doses per 100 of our population, including four-fifths of the over-80s. No EU nation comes close. Germany has managed just 2.1 doses per 100, the EU average is 1.9 and it’s 1.7 in France. Other member states, such as the Netherlands and Sweden, are lagging further behind.

Now public confidence across the EU is deteriorating fast. Parts of the German press have accused Angela Merkel of sacrificing lives by overriding the vaccine policy of her own government and entrusting it to Brussels. There have been riots in some member states among populations who can see no realistic hope of an exit from lockdown. That’s why the Eurocrats are lashing out, indulging in dangerous vaccine nationalism and seeking scapegoats for their own failures.

In doing so, however, they are exploding another EU myth: that it is a rules-based body devoted to international law and truth. The commission is threatening to obstruct exports of vaccines made in the bloc, including to Britain, in breach of commercial contracts. We’ve also seen what appear to be attempts to discredit the UK-made vaccine. Such disinformation wars are reckless. The AstraZeneca vaccine is vital – set to be used across the world, given that it is cheap and can be stored in a domestic fridge. The UK is right to be furious.

Of course nobody in the EU is prepared to own up to their mistakes. Instead they are doubling down on the ridiculous suggestion that Brussels has received unfair treatment at the hands of the vaccine manufacturers. But at a time of intense demand, shortages are inevitable. Production is an unpredictable biological process and both AstraZeneca and Pfizer have admitted to understandable delays. 
The bottom line is that, for all the UK’s failings during the pandemic, this country invested much earlier and to a far greater extent in the production, clinical trials and procurement of vaccines than the EU. So did the US – and again, America’s vaccine rollout is far superior.

The commission has displayed its usual combination of cack-handedness, bureaucratic torpor and a tendency to bend to special interests. Having dithered over the summer, Brussels buckled to pressure from Paris, ordering 300 million doses of the GSK-Sanofi vaccine. That bet back-fired – a major trial setback means this “French” vaccine won’t be ready until at least the end of 2021.

Brussels placed no firm order with Pfizer until mid-November – even though its partner firm BioNTech is German and had emerged as a front-runner months before. By then, other customers having moved much faster, the EU was way down the list.

“Obviously, the European purchasing process was flawed,” says Markus Söder, the Bavarian premier among the favourites to replace Merkel as chancellor. “It’s hard to explain why people elsewhere are being vaccinated more quickly with an excellent vaccine developed in Germany.”

As for the AstraZeneca vaccine, the European Medical Agency has claimed its “higher standards” have prevented it so far granting approval. And, even then, there may be further delays as labels for the vaccine are printed in the EU’s multiple languages.

The Brussels-made vaccine fiasco will result in more deaths, a longer lockdown and a deeper recession. As government debt ratios across the bloc spiral upward, a repeat of the 2011 eurozone crisis looms into view.

The UK has made serious mistakes – our high Covid death rate isn’t only due to our global connectedness. But the vaccine challenge has been a reputational disaster for the EU – with these latest moves revealing it to be spiteful and dysfunctional, a shabby, protectionist bloc.

[asa8] 27/1/2021 07:01

Good on priti why doesnt that labour mp house them all hate labour

[scruff1] 27/1/2021 06:44

Fair point heo. The use/misuse of stats should form part of the enquiry. A person who dies of a heart attack is not likely to infect a number of others with heart attacks

[heo] 27/1/2021 05:07

But these other deaths don't overwhelm the NHS and don't need 100% utilisation of the ICUs. It is not humanely fair to ask sick people to go home dyer to lack of capacity. That will destroy the moral fabric of care.

[xxxxxy] 26/1/2021 22:59

Ed Martin26 Jan 2021 10:35PMThis is insane. Are we now to regard Government as God: responsible for every single life? There are close to 600,000 deaths in the UK each and every single year - all causes. The obsession with Covid will destroy us.... Daily Telegraph

[k38] 26/1/2021 22:36

2020 Big Tech influence as evidenced by political donations to Biden/Dem PACsAlphabet 21M .Microsoft 17M .Amazon 8.9M .FB 6M .Apple 5.7M .Netflix 5.42M .Twitter .689M Biden gets 64.709M .Trump gets ZERO....Microsoft announced this past weekend the company will suspend donations to any GOP lawmakers who challenged fraud in the 2020 election..Google too.Alphabet Inc's Google said on Monday it will not make contributions from its political action committee this election cycle to any Congress member who voted against certifying the results of the presidential election

[joestalin] 26/1/2021 20:59

Yes but the far-left BBC will only criticise the UK.

[k38] 26/1/2021 20:52

What a mess..In Spain..Half of vaccine wasted just because they don't have the correct syringes purchased In Catalonia 165,000 doses given, 10,000 doses wasted Spain does not have enough right syringes and needles to extract the sixth dose from a Pfizer anti-coronavirus vaccine vial, resulting in thousands of doses going to waste, doctors have complained.