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[gotnorolex] 12/12/2019 14:10

BBJ in common parlance it means tearing up the rule book! Lawless!

[bbalanjones] 12/12/2019 13:57

gnr: anarchist?? Our species is a long way off being wise enough to lay claim to such a status.

"Anarchism, an anti-authoritarian political philosophy of self-governed societies without unjust hierarchies, has spread chiefly through published propaganda literature: pamphlets, books, and newspapers. As a result, American and European anarchists have a history of collecting the movement's written work and anarchist libraries naturally followed"

[xxxxxy] 12/12/2019 13:53

Vote Conservative and give Boris a majority – or else we lose Brexit entirlyWritten byJonathan Isaby and Matthew ElliottThe pathway to delivering Brexit has already been a long one – and whether we successfully reach our destination now depends entirely on the result of this general election. The stakes on the eve of the UK going to the polls could not be higher. Both of us became politically aware in the early 1990s, deeply uneasy at how John Major handed to Brussels unprecedented powers as he pushed the Maastricht Treaty through Parliament without recourse to the British people. At the time it was only a relatively small and brave cohort of politicians who were willing publicly to express their scepticism about the European project, let alone back withdrawal from the EU. The UK then avoided getting dragged into joining the euro, thanks in no small part to the extra-parliamentary campaigning of the Referendum Party and the fledgling UK Independence Party, who were given mainstream credence by groups such as Business for Sterling and the European Foundation, which in turn influenced an increasingly eurosceptic Conservative Party. But with each new treaty that the European elite put on the table, more and more powers were seized from national governments; and the Labour governments of Blair and Brown merrily signed away those law-making powers and handed more and more money to Brussels, storing up resentment, bitterness and – frankly – anger at their disregard for our national sovereignty, which should rest with the British people. And so it was, a few years down the line, when David Cameron announced his policy of renegotiation followed by a referendum, Matthew founded Business for Britain, which formed the foundation for the Vote Leave campaign in the 2016 referendum, of which he was Chief Executive. That referendum saw 17.4 million people vote to take back control of our laws, our money, our borders and our trade policy – and no politician or cause has ever achieved a greater mandate in British electoral history. And on the back of that historic referendum victory, together we established the BrexitCentral website to promote a positive vision of Britain after Brexit and provide daily news and analysis of the UK's departure from the EU. That was exactly three years and three months ago – and yet we still have not departed the EU. There is no question that numerous members of the political class have badly let down the British public. Many of those who said in the aftermath of the referendum that they regretted the result but would not stand in the way of delivering the will of the people were clearly not telling the truth. Then there were the unelected peers threatening to do all they could to throw spanners in the works, which helped persuade then Prime Minister Theresa May to seek a fresh mandate with a general election in 2017. Of course that 2017 election was supposed to be the Brexit election – but it wasn't, not least because Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition in the form of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party were standing on the platform that "Labour accepts the referendum result". Indeed, at that election well over 80% of voters backed parties with a manifesto commitment to accept the decision to leave the EU; but over the last two and a half years more and more politicians on both sides of the House of Commons have contrived to frustrate and delay the process and, in an increasing number of cases, sought to reverse or block Brexit altogether. After Theresa May's three failed attempts to push through a deal, the emergence of a new Prime Minister who was an enthusiastic cheerleader for Vote Leave and then the renegotiation by Boris Johnson that his detractors said was impossible, we now find ourselves at a watershed moment in which there are only two scenarios. The first is that Boris Johnson secures a Conservative majority at this election, puts his Withdrawal Agreement Bill in front of MPs before Christmas and then secures our withdrawal from the EU by the end of January. The second scenario is that Boris Johnson fails to get a Commons majority and an assembled hotpotch of Labour, SNP and Lib Dem MPs ensure that the Brexit we voted for in 2016 is blocked and a new referendum is held between Remain and a version of Remain they would call Brexit. And that referendum would in any case be rigged by giving the vote to 16-year-olds and EU nationals. We are well aware that some of our readers are not totally enamoured of the Johnson deal. Of course it isn't perfect. But it is the only form of Brexit on offer. The only alternative to the Johnson deal is no Brexit at all – which would mean that the last three and a half years would have been entirely wasted and all of us who believe in freeing ourselves from the shackles of Brussels would be back to square one as if the referendum had never happened. We believe that would be to betray the will of the 17.4 million. Tempting as a vote for them may be to Brexiteers, the Brexit Party are not in a position to form a government. In fact, every vote for the Brexit Party – or any party other than the Conservatives – is simply one more vote towards creating another hung parliament that would kibosh Brexit entirely. Boris Johnson led the Vote Leave campaign with gusto – an enthusiasm that was again on show earlier this week when he and former Labour MP Gisela Stuart were reunited on the campaign trail in support of a Conservative victory. And by giving Boris Johnson a majority in the House of Commons, we can not only get Brexit done, but also reinject into Parliament a sense of optimism and positivity about our country's future as an independent, outward-facing, free-trading nation that has been missing for far too long. We urge BrexitCentral readers to vote Conservative.

[gotnorolex] 12/12/2019 13:40

grahamite2 There's always an anarchist on the ballot paper you can put your cross against!

[guss] 12/12/2019 13:36

If you not are sufficiently engaged to want to change something, then by definition, you want it to stay the same.

[grahamite2] 12/12/2019 13:35

It should be

0-21 0 votes
21-30 1 vote
31-40 2 votes
41-50 3 votes
51-60 4 votes
60+ 5 votes

which would reflect increasing knowledge of the world.

[grahamite2] 12/12/2019 13:32

The right not to vote is as important as the right to vote for whom you please. Compulsory voting is wholly inconsistent with a free society.

[minerve 2] 12/12/2019 13:30

Patient

"That’s nonsense btw."

That's just your opinion. You need to back your opinion why an old person with less than five years life expectancy should have equal weight vote to a youth who will have to put up with Brexit for 50 years+. Saying 'all animals are equal' is no argument are rationale. State why that is the case.

[patientcapital] 12/12/2019 13:25

That's nonsense btw. Also nonsense to suggest that youngsters' votes are, or should be, somehow senior to everyone else's. The fact is that all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

[patientcapital] 12/12/2019 13:21

Past your bedtime :)

[minerve 2] 12/12/2019 13:21

Well, I will not be watching with bated breath. Better things to do with my life than watch this continual circus of old farts, morons and government.

[ladeside] 12/12/2019 13:20

The one recurring theme I keep catching is that most of you seem to think that "Brexit" and "leaving" will somehow restore a romantic notion of a Britain of the past which never actually existed.

I hate to break this to you all but,

There will still be immigrants (and lots more of them).

Our industries and businesses (which still exist) will still be owned and run by your despised "Jonny Foreigner" I'm afraid.

We'll still be entered into treaties and trade agreements with our European neighbours (just at worse terms for ourselves).

All in all it will be pretty much "business as usual" except the terms of this business will be detrimental to our own tax payers, however if you're set on deluding yourself and it makes you feel better as a "leaver" and a "winner" then maybe it will all be worth the hardship after all...........

[sentimentrules] 12/12/2019 13:17

What sort of time tonight will the results start to become more clear?

[minerve 2] 12/12/2019 13:01

"pleasant morning without him"

Pleasant morning? LOL

A pleasant morning making derogatory remarks towards our youth who stands to pay the price for the privilege that you old farts currently enjoy.

Sorry, that ISN'T pleasant.

Some of you need an injection of reality before you die. ;)