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[jacko07] 29/5/2019 19:37

If I was selling something and I knew that the buyer had to commit to a deal, I wouldn't have to work very hard. It would be a doddle, that is exactly what it has been for Barnier. Monsewer Barnier has held all the Aces from day one and been allowed to outplay our useless politicians.

Making the Irish border a spanner in the works was the intention.

Walk, with 'no deal' on WTO rules that we negotiate. The Irish border issue will resolve as soon as the EU realise that we are not putty in their hands.

[maxk] 29/5/2019 19:03

No 10 must take radical action against tyrant Bercow, before he wrecks Brexit for good


ROB WILSON
29 MAY 2019 • 4:53PM






John Bercow's announcement that he will stay on as Speaker of the House of Commons until the UK leaves the European Union is concluded will have been received with the enthusiasm of a visit to the dentist for root canal surgery by Brexiteers. It has become apparent to all sides in Parliament that this Speaker has little or no interest in impartiality on this issue or indeed many others.




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[grahamite2] 29/5/2019 19:00

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Some years ago I opined that London was not really an English city any more

Since then, virtually all my friends from abroad have confirmed my observation

So there must be some truth in it...

I note also that London was the UK city that voted most strongly to remain in the EU

[grahamite2] 29/5/2019 18:33

jacko07 29 May '19 - 17:59 - 259847 of 259849
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Minerve..Taking no deal off the table weakens our position.

It doesn't just weaken it, it destroys it.

"Taking no deal off the table" is code for "I'm a fanatical remainer."

[grahamite2] 29/5/2019 18:30

xxxxxy 29 May '19 - 16:57 - 259843 of 259848
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Lifelogic
Posted May 29, 2019 at 6:35 am | Permalink

Exactly right. The Chancellor’s attacks on landlords, tenants, pension pot holders, people who move home, his IHT threshold ratting, his OTT misguided bank regulations and his highest and most complex taxes for 70 years are hugely damaging. He is an economic illiterate (PPE yet again)

The Conservative chancellors of the 80s - real conservatives - achieved great things in simplifying the tax system. Bur Messrs Osborne and Hammond have shown themselves true disciples of Gordon Brown - smoke and mirrors and layer on layer of extra complication.

Largely this has been, whatever LADESIDE might think, because they have been squeezing the rich until the pips squeak, and don't want it to be too obvious.

[minerve 2] 29/5/2019 17:19

Jacko07

Sorry old boy but this negotiating isn't what you experienced with second-hand Hillman Imps.

Good negotiation is finding common ground. I have said this all before. You want all parties committed to the same forward purpose. It has to be win-win.

Threatening to walk out is what chimps do at car dealerships.

You only have to see where this attitude gets you by looking at the POTUS. Where is all this getting him? Nowhere. He is marginalising the US because better bonds are being formed between China and Russia and similar and in the end countries will look to trade and do business preferably with others they can trust rather than little boys who throw their toys out of the pram.

[minerve 2] 29/5/2019 17:10

"When i was young I was more interested in shagging any half decent women than wading through any legal documents."

I could do both - even at the same time!

ROFLMAO!

[careful] 29/5/2019 17:03

Very slowly brexiteers are being educated.
Previously they were always banging on about 'undemocratic' officials.

Those officials are now being voted for and appointed by democratically elected ministers.

At last the Brexiteers must now start to understand how the EU. works, and do not have to rely on Farage their cheerleader.

Farage will blow himself out, although he will perhaps retain his hard core of worshippers, maybe 5-6m.

The 45m electorate are gradually coming to their senses, the worst is over.

[xxxxxy] 29/5/2019 16:57

Lifelogic
Posted May 29, 2019 at 6:35 am | Permalink

Exactly right. The Chancellor’s attacks on landlords, tenants, pension pot holders, people who move home, his IHT threshold ratting, his OTT misguided bank regulations and his highest and most complex taxes for 70 years are hugely damaging. He is an economic illiterate (PPE yet again)

Yes we need some positive vision. Firing Hammond and reversing his damaging, tax, borrow and endless waste (and expensive energy) economic policies should be the first thing the new PM does.

[maddog68] 29/5/2019 16:48

xxxxy is obviously some paid up nutjob.

[crossing_the_rubicon] 29/5/2019 16:47

Poik,

"Minerve - Poor egotistical Troll, plain and simple"

:)

[poikka] 29/5/2019 16:46

Minerve - Troll, plain and simple.

[poikka] 29/5/2019 16:39

831 sue Juncker, take him to court.

[xxxxxy] 29/5/2019 16:39

Peterborough

Boycott the Con and Labour party of QUISLINGS.

Vote for Brexit


VOTE FOR THE BREXIT PARTY

[crossing_the_rubicon] 29/5/2019 16:39

Bombshell

"MUELLER SAYS HE'S RESIGNING AND FORMALLY CLOSING THE OFFICE"
"MUELLER: INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO CHARGE A BROADER CONSPIRACY"
*MUELLER: CHARGING TRUMP WITH CRIME WASN'T OPTION TO CONSIDER

Mueller Resigns From DoJ, Says Charging Trump "Wasn’t An Available Option"



He reiterated that there was a sweeping and systematic effort by Russians to interfere in the U.S. Election in 2016, which he said "deserves the attention of every American."

But the bigger takeaway: After recounting the circumstances of Russia's interference in the vote, the special counsel said charging President Trump "was never an option" during the investigation.

[xxxxxy] 29/5/2019 16:37

'Shy - "and get eu decided projects in the uk benefitting us several more tens of millions per week."

Don't disagree with your post, Shy, but absolutely disagree that those EU-funded projects have befitted us...

They've funded too many near-useless arty-farty projects which are now costing us to maintain when the country has been crying out for real projects that would bring ongoing wealth, not to mention support for social projects.'


The EUSSR has been dishing out money in many disguised ways eg grants. It is EUSSR MONEY LAUNDERING

[xxxxxy] 29/5/2019 16:35

WTO for DUMMIES.




Study as WTO it is.

LEAVE and WTO and many deals but NOT Withdrawal Agreement.



Enjoy the study.

[poikka] 29/5/2019 16:35

Shy - "and get eu decided projects in the uk benefitting us several more tens of millions per week."

Don't disagree with your post, Shy, but absolutely disagree that those EU-funded projects have befitted us...

They've funded too many near-useless arty-farty projects which are now costing us to maintain when the country has been crying out for real projects that would bring ongoing wealth, not to mention support for social projects.

[xxxxxy] 29/5/2019 16:32

3. WTO and International Trade
3.1 Brexit and International Trade
One consequence of the UK’s membership of the EU is that many aspects of the UK’s external relations are now conducted partly or wholly through the EU. As a result of Brexit, the UK will be able to re-assume direct control of its external relations, including trade relations. The pro-Remain camp suggested in the campaign that Brexit would result in years of uncertainty while the UK renegotiates its international trade arrangements.
3.2 Negotiating International Trade Treaties Before Exit
Claims have been made by European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker and others that the United Kingdom is legally prevented while it remains an EU member from formally negotiating and concluding post-exit trade agreements with non-member countries. Francis Hoar, Lawyers for Britain Committee Member and barrister, has looked into this issue in depth.


3.2 Negotiating International Trade Treaties Before Exit
Claims have been made by European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker and others that the United Kingdom is legally prevented while it remains an EU member from formally negotiating and concluding post-exit trade agreements with non-member countries. Francis Hoar, Lawyers for Britain Committee Member and barrister, has looked into this issue in depth. His conclusions are clear and are set out below, and his full article can be downloaded here: Francis Hoar: UK’s Right to Negotatiate Free Trade Agreements before leaving the European Union (PDF).

Executive summary – conclusions
1 Since the United Kingdom’s referendum vote to leave the European Union, it has been suggested that the UK may not negotiate future free trade agreements (‘FTAs’) with countries outside the EU while it remains a member state. This view has no support from the EU Treaties or the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU): the EU may not prevent the UK negotiating and entering into such treaties providing that they will not come into force until the UK withdraws from the EU.

2 The EU Treaties give the Union the exclusive competence (exclusive right) to enter into FTAs with non-EU countries (known as “third countries”). Yet, although member states surrender their right to negotiate or execute such treaties, they do so on the basis that they will be members of the Union once they come into force. That membership is not irrevocable; and, under the termination provisions of Article 50 of the Treaty of European Union (TEU), the Union and its member states can expect that any one of them may go through a process of departure likely to take some years.

3 Members of the EU have a duty of sincere co-operation with each other, a duty the CJEU has ruled prevents them from negotiating treaties within the EU’s competence without the consent of the European Commission. This consent is required in order that member states may consider their common position before negotiating; and that they do not damage the interests of the EU where it must act with one voice.

4 What the CJEU has never suggested is that the co-operation duty gives it the jurisdiction to consider whether member states negotiating treaties outside the EU’s competence damage the wider interests of the Union. Rather, the duty is imposed only to prevent member states presenting conflicting positions to third countries in areas (including FTAs) within its competence.

5 A treaty coming into force after the UK withdrew from the EU would not be in breach of the UK’s treaty obligations to the EU. Thus, neither the EU nor any other member states could expect to influence the UK’s negotiations: such co-operation may only be required where treaties being negotiated would, once ratified, be within the competence of the EU. By analogy, the UK would be acting no differently to a person negotiating a new employment contract before the end of his current employment.

6 While the EU was founded with the object of providing for the economic interests of its members, it also has the objective of creating an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness outside it. In taking steps to enhance its economic prosperity once it left the Union, the UK would be acting in accordance with that object; and the EU, were it to seek to prevent such steps, would risk endangering the wider area of prosperity and its good relations with its future neighbour.

FRANCIS HOAR
Field Court Chambers, Gray’s Inn

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[grahamite2] 29/5/2019 16:29

Shy Tott - flat leases always contain provisions for the freeholder to recharge expenses. As some expenses, like insurance, have to be handled centrally, it's reasonable in itself. However, in the 80s a lot of people began to catch on to the scope for extortion.

There are ways to deal with it now. Anyway freehold flats are generally unmortgageable so there isn't much choice.