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[polar fox] 27/3/2019 20:56

Next Conservative Leader


Michael Gove
4/1
Boris Johnson
5/1
Jeremy Hunt
9/1
Sajid Javid
11/1

[polar fox] 27/3/2019 20:54

From Oddschecker:

British Politics Next Prime Minister


Michael Gove
7/2
Boris Johnson
11/2
Jeremy Hunt
10/1
Dominic Raab
12/1

[k38] 27/3/2019 20:48

Twin brother of minerve ... ;))

[minerve 2] 27/3/2019 20:46

"I hope (and think I know) the vast majority of the 17 (or so) million are nothing like as stupid as those representatives here."

Unfortunately they are just as stupid and just as ignorant. It is the symptom of a poor education, an easily life that bred apathy, and a powerful sewer that is Fleet Street.

[aceuk] 27/3/2019 20:22

As well as utterly wrong-headed you lot are very scary and dangerous - I hope (and think I know) the vast majority of the 17 (or so) million are nothing like as stupid as those representatives here.

[k38] 27/3/2019 19:59

Maybe has something to do with her banker husband.. Brussels always offer top jobs to get what they want.

[poikka] 27/3/2019 19:26

Maxk, why May has continued pushing her (EU's) WA, when everyone considers it to be anything but Brexit-delivering, will remain one of life's great mysteries.

I confess to also entertaining the notion that Brussels had offered her something, but really think that's a bit far-fetched.

I remain of the view that she's just extremely stubborn (stubbornness syndrome), and like so many women wants her own way no matter what. I dare say that she's got supporters and advisors who want to Remain and are using her and encouraging her.

[maxk] 27/3/2019 19:03

I wonder what the €uro's could have offered her that would make the ruination of her reputation (and possibly the end of the tory party) worth while?

[patientcapital] 27/3/2019 18:48

And there I was thinking you were a vegan :)!

[shy tott] 27/3/2019 18:48

Obviously May wants to go with her hubby walking all those mountain paths in Switzerland rather than arguing with 100% of her fellow Brits.


I hope she realises that, for her, that will be a very dangerous extreme sport.

[poikka] 27/3/2019 18:10

Let's face it, if Morgan says we should support the PM and the WA...

Anyway, the Speaker won't allow another MV - atm.

[poikka] 27/3/2019 18:02

The worst part about it is that it talks about "either putting the WA back on track". No way!

[grahamite2] 27/3/2019 17:51

Poikka 27 Mar '19 - 17:36 - 252734 of 252736

Plan A would be the Withdrawal Agreement the PM brought to the Commons but with a different backstop to keep the Northern Irish border open.

The trouble with this is that the NI situation is only the most egregiously bad part of the deal. Much else is also quite unacceptable. This deal is dead and it's started to stink. The sooner everyone realizes that the better.

Plan B looks something like the ‘managed no-deal’ that pro-Brexit figures like Andrea Leadsom have mentioned in the past. It would also involve an extended transition period to December 2021 that would allow more time to either put the Withdrawal Agreement back on track or prepare for a World Trade Organisation departure.

Whatever your position on the whole issue of Brexit, if there's one thing the last 3 years have proved beyond reasonable doubt it is that more time won't do a blind bit of good. They've had plenty of time for Pete's sake! And why would we voluntarily, deliberately sign up for 3 more years of this mess, to the end of 2021?

[poikka] 27/3/2019 17:45

Bloody woman, just wants to get her way. Don't give in to her! Tell her she's going anyway.

[poikka] 27/3/2019 17:41

"Conservative MP James Cartilage has told the BBC that Mrs May told the 1922 Committee she will not be leader for next phase of Brexit negotiations."

I could have told her that, lol.

[ak47high] 27/3/2019 17:40

So May will quit if they back her deal, will this allow the DUP to support her deal.

[poikka] 27/3/2019 17:36

Malthouse Plan A and B. I criticised it earlier, but under present circumstances...

"Plan A would be the Withdrawal Agreement the PM brought to the Commons but with a different backstop to keep the Northern Irish border open. The PM’s plan involved keeping the UK in a customs union with the EU, while Northern Ireland would still be subject to elements of the single market. Critics argue the proposal would leave the UK tied to EU rules indefinitely with no say over their operation, and would draw a regulatory border down the Irish sea which could lead to the breakup of the Union.

The Malthouse Plan however suggests a new backstop which it argues would be “capable of securing wide consent”. It is based on the proposal championed by the European Research Group of backbench Tory MPs that technology can be used to carry out customs checks away from the Irish border. Remember the so-called ‘Max Fac’ plan that used technology that does not exist yet? It appears to have risen again. According to the plan, it would ensure no need for infrastructure at the Northern Ireland border.

Elsewhere, the plan would continue to secure rights for EU citizens and commit to paying the £39bn divorce bill, as well as extra cash to keep the transition period going until 2021. It would also seek to ensure the UK could enjoy control over its fisheries as soon as possible. Supporters of the plan are dubbing it a "free trade agreement lite".

But if the tweaked Withdrawal Agreement cannot be agreed, we move to...

PLAN B
Plan B looks something like the ‘managed no-deal’ that pro-Brexit figures like Andrea Leadsom have mentioned in the past. It would also involve an extended transition period to December 2021 that would allow more time to either put the Withdrawal Agreement back on track or prepare for a World Trade Organisation departure.

But the WTO terms proposed in the plan would involve a so-called “standstill221;, meaning no tariffs, no quotas and no new barriers to trading with the bloc, in exchange for an annual payment. It would also demand control over UK fishing waters and guarantee the rights of EU citizens living in Britain.
Crucially, it would seek to reduce the £39bn divorce bill to the smallest amount possible, as a negotiating card to bump the EU into agreeing the revised backstop plan.

WHO IS BEHIND THE IDEA?
The plan was drawn up by Tories from across the Brexit divide - and, significantly, now has the backing of the DUP, who the PM relies on for her Commons majority.
Conservative big hitters backing it include former Remain campaigners ex-Cabinet minister Nicky Morgan and current minister Stephen Hammond, and top Brexiteers Steve Baker and Jacob Rees-Mogg. It has won support from a wealth of Tories including Boris Johnson, Iain Duncan Smith, Therese Coffey, Marcus Fysh and others, according to the Telegraph.

In a boost for the plan, DUP leader Arlene Foster has said: "We believe it can unify a number of strands in the Brexit debate including the views of remainers and leavers. It also gives a feasible alternative to the backstop proposed by the European Union."

It is called the Malthouse Plan because Housing Minister Kit Malthouse is said to have brought the factions together to hammer out the Plan C compromise proposal.


BUT CAN IT HAPPEN?
Right now it is looking unlikely - but things move fast in the Brexit game. It was brought forward too late to be included in the pool of amendments that could face Commons votes tonight, and Downing Street has so far refused to back it. According to the Telegraph, Chancellor Philip Hammond is against it because the EU has refused to renegotiate the backstop. International Trade Secretary Liam Fox meanwhile issued a thinly-veiled swipe when he told TalkRadio it “sounds like an awful lot of different ideas all rolled into one” and noted that it was “time to vote on something deliverable”.

One ray of potential light for the plan: Theresa May last night urged MPs to back the amendment championed by Graham Brady that demands the current backstop proposal be replaced with “alternative arrangements”. Since nobody knows what those alternative arrangements are, at least the Malthouse Plan gives the PM something to show the EU.

The big question is would the EU bite on it? Deputy EU Brexit negotiator Sabine Weyand said yesterday that the technology solution proposal simply would not fly. "We looked at every border on this earth, every border the EU has with a third country,” she explained. "There’s simply no way you can do away with checks and controls." That does not bode well for the Malthouse Plan.

[k38] 27/3/2019 17:35

Kate Hoey labour, is against second referendum... labour MPs gone mad on her comments. We can have an election every month because some people change their minds..Lol

[k38] 27/3/2019 17:30

As things stand now, Brexit will be delivered only by accident.