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LGEN Legal & General Group Plc

232.50
-16.10 (-6.48%)
Last Updated: 08:19:11
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Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
Legal & General Group Plc LSE:LGEN London Ordinary Share GB0005603997 ORD 2 1/2P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  -16.10 -6.48% 232.50 232.30 232.50 235.00 232.50 235.00 4,356,869 08:19:11
Industry Sector Turnover Profit EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap
Ins Agents,brokers & Service 36.48B 457M 0.0764 32.54 14.87B
Legal & General Group Plc is listed in the Ins Agents,brokers & Service sector of the London Stock Exchange with ticker LGEN. The last closing price for Legal & General was 248.60p. Over the last year, Legal & General shares have traded in a share price range of 203.20p to 258.70p.

Legal & General currently has 5,979,665,207 shares in issue. The market capitalisation of Legal & General is £14.87 billion. Legal & General has a price to earnings ratio (PE ratio) of 32.54.

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DateSubjectAuthorDiscuss
04/2/2024
19:12
Enjoyed the recent posts whilst lurking in the shadows. Given me a few things to consider. Thank you.
roghart1
04/2/2024
18:03
marktime,

The only reason I am no longer availing myself of the £720 p.a. is NOT that I don't want it, it is I think that my ISA option will be MORE lucrative over time once (future) taxation & charges (or not) are taken into account.

At the end of the day, however, each must make their own choice which they feel best suits their individual circumstances.

Excellent discussion!

woodhawk
04/2/2024
17:00
markt and all other - really good discussion on here - this weekend

And that's the key - the dull, winter weekends (when not walking the dogs to the pub) are ideal for discussions such as these.

Thanks all.

mcunliffe1
04/2/2024
16:27
Some good points well made. However, you need to refresh your thinking about taking the £720 from HMRC. You do not pay tax on that capital gain. You only pay tax on your pension if you draw down income above the £12,700 pa threshold (adjusted upwards for uncrystallised funds). Imagine leaving it on account, or further underpinning the ability of your pot to generate future drawdown income, if undrawn an accumulation alongside all other residual capital in your SIPP. Do not pass it up on the premise that there might be tax to pay at some point, or because it is not worth the effort. No-one is that rich. If you need to shell some out "tax-free" the local foodbank or CAB would value every penny.

And yes CWA we really do need to get back on topic which is the prospect of LGEN continuing to improve in to the reporting and big dividend season. 6 Mar counting down on punters screens.

marktime1231
04/2/2024
15:33
I have an ISA and a SIPP but always make sure I max out my ISA as I do like the ability to be able to access it if necessary.

That said the tax relief via my SIPP at 40% is not to be sniffed at and as I can access that now in 3 years, should I need to, it makes sense to use it.

My personal view is whatever works for you / makes you feel comfortable and sleep easy at night is the right answer. It's the same debate in many ways as paying off your mortgage early or investing. Both have their pro's and con's but both are smart things to do.

Good luck all 👍🏻

tuftymatt
04/2/2024
15:29
I find the latest discussion on ISA vs SIPP interesting on this board. From My side I have still 5 yrs before I plan to retire and have both a company DC pension and my ISA investment which are a similar pot size. I pay over 45% tax and I also add AVCs to my pension to try and reduce the tax deduction at this level. So in my case makes sense to play both options and I am very lucky to afford it. I also have 2 frozen DB pensions and not sure yet whether to transfer or receive retirement income, but have these 5 yrs to think about it. What is important is the mindset to manage carefully your savings / investments and I see a lot of people here seem to do that pretty well 👍 GLA
tornado12
04/2/2024
14:16
You don't need to pay a provider to manage a SIPP even when in drawdown. It's no different to managing an ISA.

Here's a real life example of the benefits of investing in a SIPP vs an ISA.

£2,880 put into an ISA annually over a 5 year period, investing in LGEN shares (I've assumed share price remains static) with dividends re-invested and a 5% dividend growth pa will provide you with a nett profit of £4,480 +31% at the end of the 5 year period.

The same scenario using a SIPP results in a nett profit (after tax) of £5,660 +39% return.

That's a 26% improvement over the ISA return! I'd advise anyone to at least look at the maths.

zac0_4
04/2/2024
13:00
"and you make more money via the pension route even after paying tax!"

But you also have to pay a provider to manage your SIPP and - possibly - your drawdown too. There is also the scenario where you pay in - and get relief - at basic rate but when you drawn down that could push your then income into higher tax bands (more so if your investments have done well).

I'll stick to my shares ISAs which I can manage myself at no cost apart from trading/stamp duty and no tax whatsoever.

woodhawk
04/2/2024
12:45
Just my views on a couple of interesting comments people have made –

“ . . . that's 40% gone in inheritance tax as things currently stand . . . “ inheritance tax is only levied on asset value over £1m (for couples assuming you own a property). Anything held in a pension sits outside your estate so is safe from inheritance tax

“ . . . So the issue is whether you’re ok with that or whether you’d rather have an ISA where you can invest in income shares and also draw cash . . . “ you can do exactly the same with a pension, assuming you’re 55+. There is no requirement to purchase an annuity and you make more money via the pension route even after paying tax!

zac0_4
04/2/2024
11:31
chief, as with all gov and council rules and regs, once was talking to a planning officer and he said that his book of rules is written so loosely and is so complicated that it could be read and interpreted in many different ways,
p0pper
04/2/2024
11:18
chiefbrody: You can write simple laws but the lawyers will soon make it complex.... I can already hear lawyers say "When you say black and white does that include include white with hints of other colours and pastels, and dark greys?"
netcurtains
04/2/2024
11:13
We just need someone with balls (and brains) to simplify the tax system. So much of it is pure nonsense.
chiefbrody
04/2/2024
11:02
I know Pierre's views on pensions - he much prefers ISA's and before that, Tessa's and PEP's so I'll not make any attempt to change his mind - I have some agreement with his stance.

However, yump's view that the government encourage people to have a (private) pension is interesting. I agree, they do.

But, wouldn't it be helpful to the people who bought into that hope by increasing the amount that can be taken out before tax is applied.

In 2020 the personal allowance was £12,500. It then rose to £12,570 in 2021 and has not changed since then, nor will it change before 2027/28. Unless Labour change it when they take power this year.

Given the rise in state pension from 674.40 every 4 weeks in 2019 to £815 in this ending tax year, and rising to £884.80 in April this year, there's very little gap between the pension and the tax allowance.

So, anyone drawing down will pay tax if they draw-down more than about £1430.

One quarter is tax free but the other three quarters uses up your spare allowance.

There is a golden opportunity here for the government to help the pensioners on that edge of existance. The loss of the tax take at these relatively low levels is minor and given that most of the money so reaped will be spent by the pensioners attracting vat and generally benefitting the economy.

For example, allow the first £4000 a year drawn-down from a pension to be tax-free. Thereafter, the current rules apply with one-qurter tax-free etc.

There is of course the current possibility - if married or in a civil partnership - to transfer £1260 of allowance from the lesser to the higher earner. So, man has pension, wife doesn't but both on the full state pension. She transfers £1260 allowance to him and her allowance is now £11,310. Her state pension in April this year will be £11,502 and she immediately needs to complete a self-assessment with all the complexity that brings - never having to complete one in the years prior.

So, now the marriage transfer facility is a trap rather than an encouragement to become married.


We need a far more intelligent class of person in the next government because we certainly haven't enjoyed such in the past and present govt.'s.

I'm not holding my breath.

mcunliffe1
04/2/2024
10:54
talking about pensions the australians as i remember pay tax on putting money into a pension but pay no tax on recieving an income from it on retirement,that makes more sense to me as your needs are greater when retired ..
lippy4
04/2/2024
10:32
I think you should read up about pensions.

Very briefly…

The gov want you encourage people to have a personal pension. So you get 25% from them when you put money in.

Because its a pension, you’re not supposed to use it to go spendy-happy before or when you retire.

So you can only cash in a % of it, without being taxed. The rest has to give you income from an investment (eg annuity, that you can’t cash in)

So the issue is whether you’re ok with that or whether you’d rather have an ISA where you can invest in income shares and also draw cash.

yump
04/2/2024
10:13
I don't follow anything about pensions, but when I reads 'you I vest 2.8k and it becomes 3.5k instantly due to tax, I always think that can't be the full story. And the bits which aren't the full story often makes the hassle not worth it. I like liquidity, which I guess I wouldn't have with a new pension(?). I agree with spending it, after allowing provision for kids and wife. Although even that is difficult with a big isa pot, the divis roll in at a high rate. Ok when I kick the bucket and no inheritance tax when it goes to wife, when she goes that's 40% gone in inheritance tax as things currently stand. We have no will, preferring the new intestate rules - I'm used to people reacting in horror to the way I do things, but that seems the most sensible way to me.
pierre oreilly
04/2/2024
10:09
wells777: You should note all the above trackers India, Japan, Germany, USA, Philippines, Mexico are also in ISAs. So, if for example, you sell RR. (Rolls Royce), with this cash you can buy (for example) this German fund "Amundi Etf AMUNDI ETF DAX UCITS ETF DR" - and its still in your ISA - tax free!!!!

You get these brilliant German assets:

SAP SE 10.75Siemens AG 10.10Allianz SE 7.98Airbus SE 7.12Deutsche Telekom AG 6.46Munchener Ruckversicherungs-Gesellschaft AG 4.37Mercedes-Benz Group AG 4.00Infineon Technologies AG 3.62DHL Group 3.40Basf SE 3.27



The same for India USA etc....
There is no need to be stuck in a mode of only thinking UK ISA - we have the entire globe tax free.....

That being said - LGEN - GLOBALLY has been a big winner for me..

netcurtains
04/2/2024
09:45
che7win & lippy4. Thanks for your replies. Appreciated.
wells777
04/2/2024
08:43
Apart from LGEN this article roughly matches what I have done....
(the article is 22 hours old but of course I've been moving money out of UK investments into India, Japan, USA, Mexico, Germany even Philippines - all year - all in my ISA - mainly tracker funds)

netcurtains
03/2/2024
18:00
MC1 - I have a SIPP in drawdown. In addition I always add the £2,880 into a separate SIPP and invest it. I have done for years. At some point I'll crystalise it and at that point, after tax, it will be worth 6.25% more than had I simply put it into my ISA.

I view it as free money.

zac0_4
03/2/2024
17:35
zac0_4:
I agree that you place £2,880 into your SIPP and it becomes, as if by magic, £3,600 with the £720 tax that is added.

However, were you to draw that out again £900 would be tax free (one quarter) and the remaining £2,700 would be taxable. Let's assume at the basic 20% rate. You'd pay £540 tax.

So, £720 - £540 leaves £180 profit. For the year. £15 a month. Hardly worth it.

My aim is to extract as much money as possible out of my SIPP without incurring too much of a tax bill. Apart from the full state pension my only other income these days is the random winnings from Prem. Bonds and interest from non ISA'd savings. But with the frozen personal allowance at £12,570 and the state pension paying £10,595 there's little room left for other tax-free income.


And this under a Tory government. Shameful.

mcunliffe1
03/2/2024
17:23
wells

if the profit its in an isa you can reinvest the money in the isa,thats the point of them no tax..

lippy4
03/2/2024
17:18
You can buy and sell as much as you wish inside the ISA tax wrapper.
che7win
03/2/2024
17:12
Question on ISAs. If I invest £20k and make £2k profit in 6 months can I reinvest this in the next 6 months or have I already spent my £20k limit for the year?
wells777
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