Kier Share Discussion Threads

[nomdeplume] 24/8/2020 15:04

I do not think so, Itchy. If you only look for things that support your position, you may well miss an important issue. Best to weigh up the pros and cons before coming to a conclusion. To take a position and then find things that support it is just plain daft.

[nomdeplume] 24/8/2020 14:58

To whom are you talking, Zico. Eddy is not around at the moment and it was he who made that suggestion.

[ltcm1] 24/8/2020 13:56

Ha ha nom, it is just a saying and not something meant to taken literally.

nom in real life if you take a balanced, middle of the road view you get run over. Perhaps this is where you are going wrong with this investing game???

In trading I reckon it is better to come up with a trading view and then look for evidence to support it. Balance is just another word for doubt.

[back2basics1] 24/8/2020 12:52

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[zicopele] 24/8/2020 12:51

How did your complaint to Kier Legal go? You know the one....where you want them to issue proceedings against someone saying their share price is too high.

[nomdeplume] 24/8/2020 12:35

Itchy, I believe that Wally actually believes what he is predicting will happen to Kier. And he may be correct. However, it is not a balanced view of pluses and minuses, and he is obviously not a ramper. There is only one thing left and Wally is it.

[nomdeplume] 24/8/2020 12:30

Wally, if investing is al about using information from the present, why are you always quoting the past?

[nomdeplume] 24/8/2020 12:26

Itchy, if it really is an all time low, must be time to buy. After all, it cannot fall from an all time low. Or did you just mean up till now?

[ltcm1] 24/8/2020 12:25

nom - it is hard to spot the difference between de-ramping and someone honestly believing something.

Also his view does seem to be backed up by the market to date, Davies himself has said they are likely to need more cash. Even good housing price news isn't changing the share price.

The effect of stifled transactions in spring is about to hit their cash-flow massively. IN MY OPINION!!!

[wallywoo] 24/8/2020 12:22

Lol, I think posters need to differentiate here between Kier the investment, and Kier the company.

My only comments are for Kier the investment. There are lots of clues a big drop is coming. Healthy SP's don't hover at a all time low for 2-3 weeks, especially on days when the market is up 1.9 percent. Covenants and Debt need to be renegotiated. Property is having a reaction to lockdown, it is not going to boom, infact most pundits think it will fall over the next year.

Investing is about forecasting the future, using information from the present. You are never 100 percent sure, but with Kier this is a long long shot.

[ltcm1] 24/8/2020 12:13

JBTD if you had filmed the Harry Maguire fight you wouldn't have to even think about Kier shares anymore!

john you do realise Canterbury is Corbyn Central, with this eviction ban going on by six months time the house will resemble the set of The Young Ones and your daughter will be shacked up with Rik Mayall. It's a hotbed of socialism over there, at Christmas you will be cracking walnuts by your fire with some woke bearded wonder your daughter has invited home for the holidays!!!

JBTD it's time to TAKE ACTION. Flip the Cant crib before millions become unemployed and the housing market implodes, ditto sell Kier, it's about to hit an ALL TIME LOW!!!

[johnbuythedips] 24/8/2020 11:26

Still here! Waiting for the results and the sale of KIE living to reward my risk. Housing market good - if I remember I was vilified for buying another property in Canterbury. I had it valued last week and was very pleased. DYOR - Best of luck all.

[nomdeplume] 24/8/2020 10:51

Itchy, if Wally did not express his opinion as facts, I would be one of the first to applaud him. However, it is not that that makes him a de-ramper. It is that he does not express a balanced view, only negatives. Any good points are dismissed as either fiction or the board hiding the truth. I also find it difficult to accept the idea that anyone who expresses a positive point is ramping, even if the points are questionable. For example, I will not see the number of contracts won by Kier as.a sign of success until Kier demonstrates that they are profitable.

[ltcm1] 24/8/2020 10:28

nom - if wally were to accept his posts are merely his opinion would you be prepared to accept arguing a bear case does not neccessarily make you a de-ramper???

john are you back yet??? Did you fly on the Easyjet service from Gatwick??? Very handy.

john you make a good point in that with the debt so much more than the equity the shares will have a high volatility. One bit of good news on housing transactions at KL could see a big spike here. Alternately if transactions remain low how are they to fund new starts???

I wouldn't like to say how it will go from here. However it is fair to say in general terms wally is right in that most companies don't recover from these very high debt to equity situations. For every Thomas Cook (first time) there are a lot more that get wiped out.

[buywell3] 24/8/2020 04:59

Worth reading the leaked Government document about how they plan to cope with a possible double whammy coming in a few months time

Namely a second wave of Covid-19 and a no-deal BREXIT meaning the EU plays hard ball with us

Both are already givens IMO

But never the less it makes for interesting to read how our leaders brains don't work

[johnbuythedips] 23/8/2020 13:36

Leveraged sellers who listened to you twice before at these levels would have been stopped out on BOTH rallies to £1.50. DYOR

[wallywoo] 23/8/2020 11:38

Keep telling you nom, a investment is buy sell or hold. There's no shades of grey. Every bust company has good things you could say about them, but what's the point. They are not a viable business. The balance sheet here is unrepairable, therefore;

This is a SELL

[nomdeplume] 23/8/2020 10:39

Are you really that stupid, Wally. You only post negatives. You do not post a balanced view. You are a de-ramper.

[wallywoo] 23/8/2020 10:19

Lol, when the share price is at a all time low?? Really you critique the person who has flagged this as a poor investment? You do know nom the whole point is to make money, not to lose it? Will you be super critical when the share price falls further??

[nomdeplume] 23/8/2020 08:11

De-ramping is also a scam, Wally. Which is why I like to deal in facts. Something your posts often sadly lack.

[wallywoo] 22/8/2020 20:21

Good spot guys. I know the temptation of a extremely cheap stock is hard to ignore. Normally these posters don't have to work too hard to generate substantial greed interest.


I have been impressed over the last few months, that the rampers have been unable to attract much interest here. They have had more success on the LSE board I notice but not here.


Perhaps pi's are becoming more aware of the pitfalls with these companies. I hope Kier find a way to stay alive, but as a investment this will shortly be worthless IMO.


I do think ramping is a scam and hope we all become better at recognising it. Managing your emotions while trading stocks can be tricky and these scammers can take advantage of this.

[imastu pidgitaswell] 22/8/2020 13:03

Yep – spot the difference:

valueinvestor17
21 Aug '20 - 14:20 - 15713 of 15746 0 2 1
Kier Group is continuously improving and is positioned in a currently super growth industry with a truly impressive Order Book on seemingly well enhanced margins, however for some unjustified/strange reason, KIE share price is currently priced at close to Zero without any confirmed announcements (which may include positive updates on KL) whatsoever to justify this extremely low nonsense valuation, only huge upside potential awaits here ahead with minimal to now likely Zero downside risks here in my opinion.


back2basics1
22 Aug '20 - 06:18 - 15738 of 15746 0 0 1
Kier Group is continuously improving and is positioned in a currently super growth industry with a truly impressive Order Book on seemingly well enhanced margins, however for some unjustified/strange reason, KIE share price is currently priced at close to Zero without any confirmed announcements (which may include positive updates on KL) whatsoever to justify this extremely low nonsense valuation, only huge upside potential awaits here ahead with minimal to now likely Zero downside risks here in my opinion.



Meantime the share price at an all time low. Debt (average monthly), be it this year or next year (whoever thinks that is referring to 2021 when they say 'current financial year' needs a reality check) c£450m, market cap under £150m.



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[nomdeplume] 22/8/2020 10:17

Wally, as I have said many times, you may be right, but your view is not a fact, it is an opinion, your opinion. .

[wallywoo] 22/8/2020 09:09

Nom, I am only saying what is most likely to happen in order for pi's to make a informed decision. That's based on the share price action, the rns's, and that the company is being so quiet (ie experience).That compares to Stdy who will make up any old sh*t to get pi's to buy. His latest is to say that Debt has already been renegotiated and that the debt figures are the forecast not the actual for the last year to June 20. A behaviour that seems to be backed up by you!