Kier Share Discussion Threads

[shareharvester1] 18/8/2020 17:57

One lesson I learnt after 30 years as an institutional fund manager (now retired) is man up and admit your mistakes. Many here have thrown brickbats at Wallywoo. Including me early on. But he has been right and I was wrong. I got out at 95p. Took a hIt and have moved on. All I would say guys is dont make it personal. Mr Market doesn't make it personal and nor the should you. Sometimes being a lone voice against the crowd is a lovely place but well done Wally for airing your views. Sowntimijes avoiding crowd think is the way tho make money. Should have paid more attentioN! Cheers alll

[ammu12] 18/8/2020 15:57

Wow 52 week low.Never expected that after all that government help...Same with Costain and galliford....

[stdyeddy] 17/8/2020 20:19

I wish you the very best of British luck johnbtd. I agree with everything you've said there. Davies has indeed spooked the market -- one time too many for me -- and if he does pull something off, it could well be spectacular; a lot of people are watching Kier and are likely to climb onboard. If he doesn't, I hope that the profits from your last two wins on Kier will insulate you from any serious damage.

[johnbuythedips] 17/8/2020 19:58

The rights issue was a 'possibility' at 90/80/70/60. Nothing has changed. Davies has spooked the market by keeping his mouth shut and the markets have overreacted IMO. I still believe KL will be sold very soon - perhaps he is holding out for the best price! - if so it will be one big rabbit. Still comfortable but the share price does not make great reading this evening. Sentiment can change very quickly. Looking forward to watching this unfold.

[stdyeddy] 17/8/2020 18:33

As usual dasty, we are broadly in agreement. Davies has made a few gains, but given the current situation, they've not been significant enough so far to make a big impact. I was very disappointed to see from the last RNS that he doesn't appear to have passed covid costs on to customers or government. However, as I said eight weeks ago, he still has a few rabbits to pull out of the hat; if he and his team can make something happen, maybe he can turn things around. No one would deny though that things look less than promising just at the moment. Like many people here, I continue to watch and wait.

[dasty1] 17/8/2020 17:34

Look, yes, Wally is really pathetic and annoying, but this share has a real inevitability about it. Pre covid, I genuinely believed it would survive and prosper. It had a decent recovery plan, a way out if it’s mess. But not anymore. The sector as a whole is on its knees. Any sector that only makes 2% margin in the good times is destroyed by covid. The impact will be miles more than 2%. And for a long time. Even the construction companies with net cash must be panicked. Kier is beyond that, I fear. The slide appears inevitable. The debts are not so large as to go completely under, but I can’t see existing shareholders getting much. If you hold a pittance here, perhaps hold on until results day and see if a bit of magic is pulled out of the hat. But investing now just feels odd. On what rationale basis? I’ve actually had a small flutter on gfrd and cost, as at least they cling to cash, and could be a long term bet. But, I just don’t see Kier being on the game much longer. I truly hope I’m wrong, but Davies hasn’t announced one success yet, at all. Several plans, no tangible success. That’s 18 months under him. Covid just blew up what perhaps he had planned. I think this is the lowest optimism I’ve had on this share, which is sad for a company of 20,000 staff...the next meaningful RNS is far more likely to be ‘the end’ than ‘the beginning’ it feels to me. I’m really tempted to pull my 52p order...

[easy45] 17/8/2020 17:05

Same old same old!!! Wally is a Wally Boring Boring hes going to look really silly!!!

[wallywoo] 17/8/2020 16:53

Oh you mean those posters who are brand new and post on no other board, but happen to be expert investors?

No lol, I won't be apologising to them. Or is that you too? You do seem to answer each others questions!

[stdyeddy] 17/8/2020 16:09

Oh, btw wolly, since you categorise everyone who doesn't agree with you as a ramper or a boiler-room worker, no matter what they say, I assume that you must be a boiler-room worker yourself. Oh and btw wolly, don't you think you should apologise to all the people you've lied to on here about who you are? Oh, and btw wolly, don't you think you should apologise to all the posters who you've gloated at spitefully, even though you say you've got no postion here (just trolling in other words)?

[wallywoo] 17/8/2020 15:31

And I have always known you have no integrity, but can't resist the temptation to show everyone else! Thanks, pretty much what you expect from a boiler room worker.

Oh, as I have said before if I make one investor think twice before putting his money in here, I will be pleased. It's Carillion Mark 2!

[wallywoo] 17/8/2020 14:55

Says the man who refuses to apologise for 13 months of relentless ramping when a share price is on its knees. If you post stdy, that a share price will go to 200p and debt is no problem and the events all turn against you, you should say sorry for misleading Pi's!

When the share price was low I closed my short, when the share price went up I put a new short on. I make no apology for making money. This though is now the end game, liquidity is low, share price will crash sometime soon. Don't want to play down here, can be really hard to get your money out.

Go on say you are sorry, for tempting Pi's into this rubbish????????

It will make your mum happy, to know she raised a boy with integrity!

[stdyeddy] 17/8/2020 14:14

lol-wolly. You are suffering from a selective memory. Stupidity I imagine, or perhaps self-interest in trying to promote yourself as an 'investment guru'. One who can't read or write properly. You've told people to sell here directly before the price has gone up by 250%, twice.

And you are also ignoring the fact that I told everyone that prices were heading down at the start of the covid crisis and that they should hedge, and also that I closed my positions straight after the last RNS at year end.

So I'm not promoting any position in Kier, but I am pointing out that you are frequently wrong and if it weren't for Covid, you would have been completely wrong on kier, so you've merely been lucky recently.

As I said eight weeks ago, I await news from Davies before making any moves here. In the meantime, you can carry on being a tedious troll, telling lies and puffing up your fragile ego.

[wallywoo] 17/8/2020 07:33

lol, stdy: I am the only person giving the benefit of my experience am I? What a short memory you have. It was only 2 months ago now with the share price at 110, when you were accusing me of hindering PI's ability to make profits with Kier (and saying the share price will shortly be 150, then 200). Because I was being so negative on their prospects.

I am sorry this is such a poor investment, it was poor at 110, and it is poor now at 61p. In another 2 months PI's will all agree with me! The problem with you and John being consistently wrong is that no one believes you anymore.

[back2basics1] 17/8/2020 03:55

Great news for Kier Living.
“Housing market has busiest month in more than 10 years”:

[stdyeddy] 16/8/2020 22:50

well wolly, you seem to be doing your job of making this a full chatboard! And you see rampers everywhere, but who is actually ramping? No one! You are the only person here giving investment 'advice', telling people to sell, and making up reasons why they should. The other posters here are not saying 'buy', they are merely telling you to stop making up rubbish.

NINE POSTS FROM YOU ON A SUNDAY!! wolly working very hard on DERAMPING. What a waste of time and effort.

[wallywoo] 16/8/2020 16:37

Wow you have been sold the company! Well good luck with that. It won't take long to find out which of us is right, IMO. Davies would have to be a absolute magician, and after 18 months there's no evidence so far.

Maybe even next week...

[easy45] 16/8/2020 16:30

Wally, ive nothing against you, Investors have nothing to worry about Kier was and will be again the biggest Infrastructure Davis is a very clever Man......

[wallywoo] 16/8/2020 16:14

Mate you do know just as many shares go down as up? With this crazy deep depression there will be a lot more going down.

I have studied these companies and have 100 percent right record for who goes bust. Unfortunately bb's do not ever identify a company going bust. That's because many posters are not genuine and are just trying to generate demand for shares. Buy precious metals shares if you want your capital to survive the storm, not a heavily indebted builder that has generated no cash for 3 years.

[easy45] 16/8/2020 16:09

Investors will do good unlike you, you silly silly RAT, keep posting while you can the end for you is near......

[wallywoo] 16/8/2020 15:48

Lol easy, I have posted for over 20 years. All through the demise of Carillion. You need to look at others posting history. Johnbuythelosers, only here for 1 yr, stdy mainly all the same as Mike, nom just Carillion and here. Then you start to see who is genuine. I am on BB'S to discuss investments not make friends! I have plenty real life thanks.

I am sorry if you work for Kier, maybe the company will survive this (Interserve did), but as with Interserve investors will get nothing.

[easy45] 16/8/2020 15:38

Genuine!!!! Take a good long look at your only friends RATS i dont normally post but im going to love seeing you totaly disappear when we all here the NEWS....

[wallywoo] 16/8/2020 15:32

Tell me macro Mike, why do all the posters who have nasty things to say only post on Kier, Astin Martin, and Carnival, dlar sites. Are they the only sites that currently pay posters?? Brokers are getting good business from these companies?

Either way you are wasting your time. I hope any readers take a careful look at the background of supposed "angry posters".

Wouldn't the world be a much better place if people were genuine! It must be a critical time due to the intense efforts of the ramping team. I must say I will be glad when it's all over

[macromike] 16/8/2020 14:11

A desperate attention seeker seems to be getting his fix here. Posting all day on Sunday trying to get a reaction. Must be lonely and sad. Sensible people should ignore this sad pr1ck and wait for news. The ball is in the CEO's court.

[easy45] 16/8/2020 13:24

Wally Wally wally wally wally wally wally wally wally wally wally wally wally wally boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring boring- your going to look so silly!