Kefi Gold And Copper Share Discussion Threads

[smackeraim] 15/1/2020 17:21

Or you could just do a dummy buy or sell at the time and see for yourself lol

[delta0091] 15/1/2020 15:00

when you go to currys or some other well known retail outlet.... you see prices quoted .. which represents offers for selling the items. That's not necessarily the price they are willing to sell you at. If you haggle then they may well give you a discount. The next customer isn't going to be told what price the previous customer paid for the item.

Why is it any different to market makers of stock ? The price you see for a stock on screen isnt necessary the price you will get when buying or selling.

They are selling (or buying) stock they own. They are obliged to display the trade (something that bricks and mortar retailer wont do).. but certainly not obliged to tell you whether the trade displayed is a buy or sell. That's between them and the specific customer (you).

Any way, you can do the deduction yourself. Just download the data in excel format, load it up in excel... and create a column that has a formula that will display what the trade is depending on the bid and offer. However many of the deductions could well be incorrect as the market makers can offer stock at mid or lower so the formula showing it as a sell...and vice versa.

[topicel] 15/1/2020 11:57

On a separate issue, I have an interest in record royalties which obviously relate to sales.

The actual data on what is being sold is kept for books and movies but for some reason little transparency exists in the murky world of the record industry...

Topicel

[topicel] 15/1/2020 11:54

Rob - it is to their advantage to keep things murky. The establishment have it all ways and this is just another angle that suits them and enables them to make 'on the make'.

For instance, whatever ones political views the modern idea that one vote is equal is purely absurd without proportional representation but that would certainly mean the establishment party - the Conservatives - would never again form a majority government. So it'll never happen. Can't be letting the rabble having a fair shake - what do they know?!

Anyone who is against transparency has their own interests or agenda in mind - but that is human nature. All I care about is a fair and proper valuation in the market we have for Kefi as of today - or when the funding comes in.

If it isn't 'let go' towards £50m market cap minimum then something else is wrong aside from the trading system on AIM...by rights there should be no reason why MMs can't make just as much overshooting to the upside too, say £100m m/cap.

Topicel

[whatnow1] 15/1/2020 11:41

If they wanted to tag each trade correctly I`m sure they could easily.
We punters are forever trying to work out if a trade was a buy/sell?
It should be criminal!

[laurence llewelyn binliner] 15/1/2020 11:26

#robjm66, it is not in the MMs interest to clearly label every trade, they are trying to make a market, so some confusion and doubt fuels their needs..

Someone did buy at 1.65p earlier so this was clearly a buy, but anything around the mid price is a lot more opaque..

[robjm66] 15/1/2020 11:19

Surely in the computer and internet age it would be simply to tag each trade to show whether it was a buy or sale automatically and make it the service free and available to everyone. Maybe it could be trailed in AIM to make it less of a Casino.

[scrappycat] 15/1/2020 10:51

As goatherd recently pointed out, the MMs do as the name implies. They make the market. How they choose to do so is entirely up to them, given market forces. Their ethics may be questionable, but it is up to them how they play the market.

[atticusfinch1] 15/1/2020 10:46

Thanks, that's useful knowledge. So in this case looks like someone hadn't set their algorithms correctly.. as trade automatically placed above MM ask? Or have I misinterpreted that?

[pennstreet] 15/1/2020 10:43

It's a glitch - can't be up 13% when the price is outside the bid-offer range?

[bejubiant] 15/1/2020 10:39

Thanks for that.

[goatherd] 15/1/2020 10:30

Bejubiant,

Not so. The market makers make no representation as to whether something is a buy or a sell. They simply report a transaction. The marking of "buy" or "sell" is done, here, only by advfn according to whether it is above or below the mid price.

[markb125] 15/1/2020 10:28

I am telling you I bought three times this morning no probably why’s or maybes ! This system should be able to report the facts !

[costax1654x] 15/1/2020 10:18

orm mcap 3 mil,cash 6 mil,no Debts!Plus Gold assets!Distressed Seller due to the sale of tungsten mine(clear our debts and we received 6 mil extra) need shareholders approval

[marnewton] 15/1/2020 10:12

I don't know how many times I have to say this:

Only AT trades are 'printed' on the chart. So today's print was one purchase (probably!) of 14,400 shares at 1.645.

The next chart print will be the next AT.

M

[bejubiant] 15/1/2020 10:05

Misrepresenting a definitive asset purchase in the public domain as an asset sale. It is rigged to misguide investors and manipulate the value of the underlying publicly quoted company.
Law wise - English & Commercial

[cybaajak] 15/1/2020 09:59

This is the AIM gentlemen.The game is rigged against anybody thinking this is legal.

[goatherd] 15/1/2020 09:58

Bejubiant,

So what do you think is illegal? And under what law?

[bejubiant] 15/1/2020 09:49

This IS illegal manipulation and needs reporting

[bejubiant] 15/1/2020 09:43

Price now gone down. Loony time...
How is this price fixing allowed in a regulated market environment?

[bejubiant] 15/1/2020 09:35

30 mins ago I bought another 750,000 shares and the price hasn’t even blipped..
Crooked market “makers” playing unethical games .... pencil d1cks

[matthew stone] 15/1/2020 09:09

Likewise - all the 1.45+ trades are definitely buys. Spread has been manipulated for days in an attempt to make pretty much everything look like a sell, imo.

[markb125] 15/1/2020 09:00

ok can confirm this i have bought this morning in three hits all showing sell so i assume all transactions are buys today?

[atticusfinch1] 15/1/2020 08:54

Indeed, this move up on the ask has occurred a few times.. and the wider spread suggests something afoot. Not many trades to see what you can actually buy at.

[stoneme] 15/1/2020 08:35

Odd move in share price - something brewing