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[monkeymagic3] 10/12/2014 19:38

Was that last sentence tongue in cheek?

[superg1] 10/12/2014 19:33

Only macca would raise that point in such a sea of fraud. Are you brothers?

No you can't rig such a without a web of help, but there can be 5 prizes if you so wish. I'm not saying there were, but creating a gratuity to look like a prize win isn't that difficult.

I did look it up at the time and valley did a you tube video re the presentation.

It's blatantly obvious that the guy from valley is just John Ames with a Tom Cruise style mission impossible disguise and voice changer

The other 3 US wide were won by, Connie Iverson, The CEO of Wild cat trucking and Bob Shaver retired head of the ND water bureau.

:-) :-) :-)

[sancler] 10/12/2014 18:34

superg1

Lots of good stuff, but I think the Hardy win of the Gator probably really was a coincidence. It looks to me like it was a North America wide "sweepstake" run by Valley Irrigation which is a division of Valmont Industries Inc. Here's the promo page.



and that contains a link to the rules.

Agri-industries is just one of Valley Irrigation's dealers. The photo on the link you posted has the Valmont Irrigation territory manager on the left.

Even if Ames is a "Mr Big" in Montana (and/or North Dakota) I'm not sure he could swing something like that in favour of a mate.

[superg1] 10/12/2014 17:22

Joe

The water bureau are fine, it's not them, they were just caught napping in sleepy old Montana when Delboy rolled into town.

A few silver-tongued chats and first name terms and away he went.

Now for the next bit.

As far as I'm aware you can only apply for one permit at a time. So that may well explain the different names on the permits but all leading back to Ames. It is also probably why he removed his name from the Hardy permit. That's the one where Hardy won a $15000 gator vehicle, the xcomp that hardy didn't enter. Did you know only 4 were won across the entire US.

And look there is another coincidence, that particular model that happened to be the prize for a competition he didn't enter 'just happens to fit his row spacings'

'David Hardy of Fairview was one of the lucky winners, even though there were thousands of entries. Until he got the phone call, he had no idea there was even a promotion going on. Hardy stated that he loves the John Deere Gators because the space between the tires “just happens to fit my row spacing.”

[superg1] 10/12/2014 17:11

Pc

Ames has made an application to take water out of the state on the permit ending 277.

The bureau have refused and it's off to a hearing. That's the one with the letter mentioned in the last post.

I assume the bureau will now take the opportunity to question in detail the beneficial use letters, as for out of state use the applicant has to provide substantial evidence on the topic of beneficial use.

The bureau are probably looking forward to that one.

Now I've read so many permits, Denise isn't a dragon at all it seems, just someone not prepared to let anyone else have the bureau over.

On certain dates all those permits will hit a renewal date where they have to justify the amount in the permit (use it or lose it). I think I know what will happen.

There was no one viable for Halliburton to go with, just about all of them are tin shed dubious permits that may well be rescinded in time.

Culbertson which amazingly has a genuine look about it, only has 2 pumps, which in terms of feasibility, is in chocolate teapot territory.

So now I can see why all these permits exist but not a lot of water leaves them.

When you add it up there is very little left to contract anyway. Some Ames depots are contracted for far more water than they can actually extract.

You can only sell water to whoever you are contracted with. I doubt Ames is sticking to that or any other rule.

[superg1] 10/12/2014 17:00

Awol I think it's just early applicants in the boom and the bureau not really working out what was going on, and were just churning them through.

I know Halliburton consider anything other than major river water sources as not a reliable means of supply.

There is a lot more water used for irrigation than fracking. Come the summer the irrigation use leaps and depletes the tributaries and aquifers.

Of the 10 apparent depots, 5 are wells on aquifers with 4 others connected to the Ames apparent scam.

That leaves just Culbertson which looks like it has some genuine letters of intent and some plausibility about it.

It's funny how that depot got an objection from the wildlife lot and none of the Ames depots did.

The letter saying water is too expensive and they would love John Ames to build a depot for them to use, is a letter from Agri Ind (John Ames) lmao.

I'm off to play poker in some of those Casinos in Montana, folk must be so gullible over there.

[joestalin] 10/12/2014 16:55

It may be that the entire cast are guilty as charged and IOF may need to wait for a new set of governmental staff appointments to be made.

This is worse than Uganda.

[pcjoe] 10/12/2014 16:45

Once Iof get their legitimately acquired permit - I think Ames should be turned in & his permits rescinded - that should create quite a spike in the water price methinks.....

[awolagain] 10/12/2014 16:29

I am sitting here with my chin hitting the keyboard...I mean how blatant can they be about this...not really trying to hide it. They must have someone working on the 'inside' who just passed it through....but why, what was in it for the inside party????

[cyberbub] 10/12/2014 16:21

Nice intraday reversal, although volume is a bit low...

[superg1] 10/12/2014 16:13

Awol

More fun for you.

Another Ames depot.

LOI from Agri industries owned by John Ames.

And another from Savage Ames water solutions. The address for Savage is the same as Agri industries owned by John Ames.

The last letter was from an old fave Wild cat trucking with writing that looks like good old Neil Iverson.

The bureau asked for more details on all 3.

Ames replied with 3 entirely new LOIs for different companies ignoring anything said about the original 3.

I think LOI means load of idiots. Delboy would be impressed with this lot.

[serratia] 10/12/2014 15:01

AGRI Industries core company values .

We also remain committed to a set of core company values:
##To maintain our compassion and integrity in all situations.
##Ensure a positive experience for all customers.
##Have timely and courteous response to all concerns of customers and associates.
##Committed to accurate company records for past, present, and future files.
##To have passion towards engineering the best systems for all customers needs.
##To have discipline in adherence to company policies, rules, procedures, schedules, and standards

[1madmarky] 10/12/2014 14:42

Bought a few more this morning, as the price is just stupid now. Assuming that they continue producing around the 40mt rate and flog it as derivatives.
GLA

[cyberbub] 10/12/2014 14:41

Very interesting superg1, all sounds highly dubious and I am glad you're passing it on to Iofina!

[roboben] 10/12/2014 14:05

Oh, how I wish I had some spare cash!

I bought my first batch of these almost 3 years ago at 31p.

It looks as though it will be possible to buy more cheaply than that soon, though I don't expect the sales to last throughout January!

[superg1] 10/12/2014 13:48

You can't make it up. No greenbacks involved just prizes.

David hardy sorted a depot with John Ames. Hardy is the signed seller on the LOI the buyer is John Ames but they would not know that as it's just his signature.

Amazingly since that time Hardy won a competition ($15,000 worth prize) run by Agri industries (John Ames). A competition he didn't even enter.




The fact the prize was won just a few weeks after the permit got it's preliminary determination to grant, is of course coincidental.

No wonder Denise is paranoid. Sorry for all the dragon comments.

[superg1] 10/12/2014 13:44

It would be a turkey shoot if any of the Ames depots raised an objection :-)

They are probably be more interested in getting a Clingon cloaking device, not putting a target on their back.

[awolagain] 10/12/2014 13:20

SG

I take your point about her position regarding our application. However, if her position regarding us was because she was duped on other applications she must stand down and a review carried out of all past applications? Or is that just to easy and would it create a bigger problem that we don't need right now?
Like to hear the news on that letter...what a nightmare!

[monkeymagic3] 10/12/2014 13:15

We need Rosco P Coltrane on the case.

[battery] 10/12/2014 12:59

I wonder if Ames is behind the objection.?

Maybe tipped off by someone that saw the PDTD overturned and is operating in cahoots with him.?

This is all turning into an episode from the Dukes of Hazard. I have this picture of Ames being Boss Hog in charge of everything going on in the district.

[superg1] 10/12/2014 12:51

I should add that I have passed some findings on. The feedback seems to be I am very much barking up the right tree and the DNRC have realised what has gone on (N S Sherlock), hence the heavy scrutiny in recent times.

[superg1] 10/12/2014 12:34

Awol

As Sancler pointed out it was astonishing to see what it was rejected on based on what has gone on before.

I note Ames in recent times out in a change of use/extraction point in for one of his depots. The bureau have refused and it's going to a hearing.

It all tends to explain her caution over the IOF permit. She was pedantic about the Atlantis LLC v Atlantis INC. I think I can now see why.

I must track down that other LOI on another permit which goes on about how great it would be if John Ames go the permit as the other depots are soooo expensive.

The 'other' depots are effectively John Ames. I hope that letter is from Agri or wildcat.... I'm hunting now.