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[montyhedge] 27/9/2019 08:29

250 Thomas Cook pilots looking for a job, Walsh said 1000 pilot applicants wanting to join IAG.

[willienikit] 27/9/2019 02:06

Monty have you been on brake fluid again. You're not making sense. Pilots on the dole. Seriously. If I'm on my way to Jo'berg I want the the guy that's been doing it for 30 years not some guy off the street who's daddy bought him a flying licence.

[cyberian] 26/9/2019 23:53

BALPA have continued to argue that their costs for an EXTRA outlay of £5 million to be met by BA could have avoided the damaging strikes in the earlier pay negotiations. However, for their part BA have stated that the Pilots demands would have triggered an EXTRA £50 million, and therefore NOT as implied, the £5 million. So, maybe BA could seek a binding agreement with BALPA that they will retain and agree the 11.75% 3 year pay deal, plus the existing subsidized flight benefits, and the (I understand) 1% profits bonus added, in return for BALPA having the Pilots reimburse by subsequent salary deductions any excess cost over their clearly stated £5 million? Maybe I have expressed it in a clumsy manner but that seems a logical approach and locks both into an arrangement that BALPA considers acceptable. BALPA have repeatedly said ONLY £5 MILLION separated them...so be it!!

[philanderer] 26/9/2019 20:59

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[montyhedge] 26/9/2019 19:36

Lol if I could get it I would, to soft on these pilots, sack them, loads of pilots on the dole looking for a job.Take away their perks for 3 years for a start.

[watfordhornet] 26/9/2019 19:08

Monty - good job. Has he replied.Assume you have his mobile number - call him directly

[montyhedge] 26/9/2019 18:39

I think Norwegian Air have a bond to repay December. 18 grounded 737 Max must be hurting, going to be interesting.BA bully boy tactics on Walsh won't work. Cruz to soft, take their perks away for 3 years for striking pilots.Done my bit, emailed Cruz and told him.

[m1k3y1] 26/9/2019 17:31

toon.....guess none of those employees will be applying to BA for a job then ? Including Pilots ?

" Walsh said: “We’ve seen a number of [airline] failures across Europe and there will be further failures. Most airlines are moderating their capacity growth plans for the fourth quarter and 2020.” "

[toon1966] 26/9/2019 17:30

m1k3y1 - quite frankly, no.

[montyhedge] 26/9/2019 17:19

Take away travel perks, his got to this time, Cruz to soft.

[m1k3y1] 26/9/2019 17:17

Eleventh.....BA aren't known for their subtlety regarding Investor Relations.
In fact, they have a long history of disregarding the emotional and moral aspects of Employee pay negotiations. Unfortunately, over many years, succesive Employment Tribunals have supported BA's position, thereby strengthening their hand.

The Unions have been VERY lax in allowing BA to ' salami slice' years of agreements to provide them with a much stronger negotiating position than BA previously has enjoyed.

Toon..." Thomas Cook Pilots and employees losing their jobs has got nothing to do BA Pilots pay dispute " ........really ?
9000 employees losing their jobs in the same UK industry and you don't think it has any impact on the BA Pilots situation ???

[montyhedge] 26/9/2019 17:16

Oh his back, I knew it talk of strikes, Applepieinthesky turns up, lol.

[applepieinthesky] 26/9/2019 17:14

It's great how Sky have kept that little interview with El Gordo alive reminding everybody that this is the CEO who doesn't even know who he works for ..... Priceless http://news.sky.com/story/british-airways-parent-issues-profit-warning-on-163121m-strike-hit-11819693

[montyhedge] 26/9/2019 17:11

Walsh won't give in to bully boy pilots.Shareholders don't won't him to.Cruz to soft, take away perks for 3 years for striking pilots. Email Cruz tell him to get tough, enough is enough.

[eleventh_earl] 26/9/2019 16:59

But it’s BA who won’t talk about a resolution. The negotiation team at BA clearly had no exit strategy when things didn’t go their way. As for Mahoney, he is clearly after furthering his own career, rather than resolving the dispute in the interests of the company.

Quite frankly, I think BAs handling of the dispute with its pilots could be used as a case study in “how not to handle disputes” by Harvard Business School 😂

[toon1966] 26/9/2019 16:58

You ARE using it as an argument. You just stated this in your second paragraph....!!!

Thomas Cook Pilots and employees losing their jobs has got nothing to do BA Pilots pay dispute. Lots of people lose their job across the UK regularly, does this mean others cannot ask for a pay rise or even legally strike?

[m1k3y1] 26/9/2019 16:53

Fj.......it certainly takes two to reach a negotiated agreement .

Whether BA is using the loss it has incurred due to the pilot strike as a negotiating tool, or whether it is just reporting the loss attributable may be arguable, depending who you believe.
However, I very much doubt that BALPA is reporting the facts objectively either.

[m1k3y1] 26/9/2019 16:46

toon....read my post.
I never said that the demise of Thomas Cook was caused by BA Pilots.
Neither am I using it as an argument.


However, Thomas Cook Pilots and employees are losing their jobs and BA pilots would look very very greedy indeed to insist on striking for more money, in this environment. Especially after being offered such a good pay deal.

[eleventh_earl] 26/9/2019 16:38

The profit warning today is remarkably similar in quantum to the information commissioner’s fine after BA’s data breach.

But BA blame the pilots.

Surely the biggest problem facing BA (IAGs cash cow) is the gulf between management and pilots. Whether shareholders and managers like it or not, the company relies on pilots. The loss of good will must be enormous at the moment. I’ve heard stories of BA managers riding roughshod over crew level agreements, industrial agreements etc. They’ve even stopped as low as stopping pay for pilots on long term sick - claiming they must’ve been on strike.

I’ve seen and heard of practices at BA which are blatantly unlawful, yet middle and senior managers continue undeterred. BAs arrogance is frankly astounding, and it worries me as a (albeit small) shareholder.

Every company depends on the people it employs, no job is as simple as “do what you’re paid for”. BA and it’s pilots need to get along in the future if there is to be any success, but BA is sulking like a child in a rather pathetic, unprofessional manner.

Sadly, the profit warning today is nothing but a transparent attempt to frighten the pilots into submission. From what I’ve heard, it hasn’t worked...BALPAs view remains unchanged - multi billion pound profits should result in greater reward for all staff, not just executives. I foresee more strikes, and it is damaging for everyone, but only BA is refusing to try and resolve things.

[toon1966] 26/9/2019 16:33

m1k3y1 - actually the loss is caused by both BALPA and the BA Board. The demise of Thomas Cook has nothing to do with BA Pilots, their strike action and it's rather sad that you and others are using this as an argument.

[fjgooner] 26/9/2019 16:32

Fully agree about directors getting massively overpaid for failure.

Re the profit warning that was released this morning.

Did the profit warning take into account the massive compensation claims coming soon to British Airways? I see in the press that claims companies - now PPI is fading away - are starting to circle over IAG like the vultures that they are. How may billion needs to be set aside to cover that?

Let's hope BA pilots don't strike again.

[la forge] 26/9/2019 16:25

And directors could also take a reduced cut of the cake

no body seems to realise or admit to directors greed


for this or any other company

thomas cook a prime example

perhaps ryan too

managements have a lot to answer

and overpaid paid

jobs for the boys comes to mind

[m1k3y1] 26/9/2019 16:22

toon...I doubt it.
It is the pilots who are costing BA the loss, while other pilots at Thomas Cook are losing their jobs.
BA pilots don't need the additional money they are asking for, it is just greed.
I might also add, that they are costing the 90% of employees who have agreed the deal, loss of income and loss of potential year end bonuses, to say nothing of the impact on customers.
Very poor show.

[toon1966] 26/9/2019 16:13

But failure by the BA Board to show willing to resolve the dispute will look very badly on them.