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[qantas] 30/4/2020 08:17

Bookbroker best to avoid Monty Hedge better total waste of time zero input.

Please do your own research as always.

[azalea] 30/4/2020 08:04

One of the well known problems with flying in a closed metal tube is that only circa 50% of the air circulated in the cabin is fresh, so essentially passengers are breathing in a lot of air expelled by themselves and others.

[montyhedge] 30/4/2020 07:59

Flying will be a pain.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8271625/It-four-hours-board-plane-coronavirus-lockdown-eases.html

[smithys2019] 30/4/2020 07:47

Monty, all goes away with antibody or viral
Load testing on check in.

This is a hurdle that will be overcome in an industry that is highly innovative. A solution will be found with work between medical professionals, industry and government. There will need to be international agreement to standards but this is nothing new, it’s just a new form of security.

[montyhedge] 30/4/2020 07:23

The Times, 4 hour wait to get on a plane, flying not the same. Who in their right mind going to get on a plane until a vaccine anyway.

[m1k3y1] 29/4/2020 22:42

They can provide a commercial loan at commercial rates , as they have done with EZJ

[scubadiverr] 29/4/2020 22:38

IMO the only circumstance that the UK government should assist is for a discounted stake in the businesses they are to assist. I don't think that's what you guys want.

[m1k3y1] 29/4/2020 21:41

TY fj.....36,366 now

[fjgooner] 29/4/2020 21:24

Done - many thanks.

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[m1k3y1] 29/4/2020 18:46

For anyone who wants to help people try and save their jobs.

[loganair] 29/4/2020 18:04

The increased use of video conferencing could have an impact on air travel. From a business perspective, it is cheaper and greener to take international meetings using Zoom than it is to fly people to another country and put them up in hotels. We have had no choice to do this under lockdown, and so have proven it works.

Lastly and most worryingly, we don’t know the state of the economy after lockdown. As well as a number of big industries like airlines, many small businesses are likely to go bankrupt. There is talk of a potential recession, but even without this, many people will have less money to spend. Holidays that require flying are usually the first thing to get cut when a family has no money.

[loganair] 29/4/2020 17:54

Delta has borrowed $3.5bn through the bond market with a five-year deal secured against the company’s assets, including its aircraft routes and the slots it hold at airports such as Heathrow in London or John F Kennedy in New York.

The company has drawn down on a $3bn lending facility with a group of banks and expects to receive some $5.4bn to support its payroll from the US government’s giant stimulus package. Delta also plans to apply this week for $4.6bn from a second tranche of secured loans from the government.

[loganair] 29/4/2020 17:48

Lufthansa and wearing of face masks and using all the seats.

It seems to me what Lufthansa maybe looking at is when flying gets back going instead of flying 6 FRA-LHR-FRA return flights a day at only 40% load factor, to reduce this to 3 return flights a day with 75% load factor.

[m1k3y1] 29/4/2020 17:47

Not a necessity with IAG ham.......it's opportunistic ...there is a BIG difference.

[hamhamham1] 29/4/2020 17:36

In other businesses, when the market shrinks, then the staff levels are cut accordingly. It's brutal but a necessity.

[m1k3y1] 29/4/2020 17:19

ham......they have options as you suggest BUT they are using it to implement all of their wishes at once.
Including the same ones they wanted back in 2010.

Unpaid leave would be an option,

[loganair] 29/4/2020 17:19

Lufthansa Group introduces compulsory face mask measures for passengers. This includes prior to and after the flight, and throughout the airport when the required minimum distance cannot be guaranteed without restriction.

The mask requirement will bring the current Lufthansa Group Airlines’ regulation to keep the neighbouring seat free in Economy and Premium Economy Class to an end, as the Group believes that wearing the mouth-nose cover provides adequate health protection.

[loganair] 29/4/2020 17:16

Boeing, Expecting a Long Slump, Will Cut 16,000 Jobs.

Calhoun added that the company anticipated that it would be able to resume production of the troubled 737 Max line in 2021.

[hamhamham1] 29/4/2020 17:00

The thing is, if it's going to take a couple of years to get back to 2019 levels then what are you going to do? You cannot staff at 2019 levels for the duration. IAG need to cut their cloth accordingly. I would have thought the next 12 months would be successgul if ran 75% of flights?
So either staff reduce hrs to match, ie a 28-30 hr week rather than 37-40 hr week. Or cut staff by 20-25%, whether thats redundancies or staff taking sabbaticals, either way. But you gotta get a grip on costs IMO.

[m1k3y1] 29/4/2020 17:00

Will the British Airways / American Airlines joint venture be broken up if Virgin Atlantic goes bust?

[m1k3y1] 29/4/2020 16:55

azalea...both of those airlines have been in trouble for years.
IAG has been making lots of profit and very healthy.

9.5B euro in liquidity.

[azalea] 29/4/2020 16:21

Lufthansa cut its workforce by 10,000, SAS cut its workforce by 50% = 5,000 people.

[m1k3y1] 29/4/2020 16:15

logan........it seems that what you are actually complaining about is not getting the same contractual agreements as BA crew.

Maybe you don't belong to a Union ? But at the end of the day, these are not things that BA crews are 'getting away with' . They have been contractually agreed over very very many years. BA have been happy with them and up until the virus hit, was making very nice profits.

In addition, when it comes to hours, as we have discussed before, all UK crews have to comply with the working time directive of 900 flying hours per annum. Whether you work up to 900 or less than 900 is up to your employer.

With regard to bidding....it was BA that introduced Bidding not the cabin crew and they did it so that crews could manage their own work, which enabled BA to reduce jobs in the scheduling Dept.